Nobody, we just concluded that it would be a tricky business to remove systemd.
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Ok, am going to test it.
Never heard of this distro, is it good?
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Devuan is Debian without systemd.
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Thanks for the hint; this will be my next stop. Even if I’m a great fan of LMDE, I think it tends to be bloated.
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I alway thought there shoukd be Linux Mint Devuan Edition… If Peppermint can do it, why cant Mint?
The easiest Devuan setup to start with is sysVinit ot OpenRC. Other init systems are offered but they take some work.
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I like OpenRC. It’s really easy to learn.
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Agree. My Devuan is OpenRC.
You can use OpenRC either alone , or on top of sysVinit.
OpenRC, of course, originated with Gentoo.
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I like Void’s implementation of runit more. It’s so incredibly simple. I can’t think of anything more simple as an init system.
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It’s true also! I have also Void on two computers. It boots really quick and is easy to use.
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Have you seen dinit, it is even simpler than runit.
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Not sure about bloatware on linux, latest install took half the disk space to windows.
Yes, this might be true, but this is not the point. I just want to have stuff installed that I really use. Some programs cannot be uninstalled easily because they are bundled in meta packages. Say you want to get rid of nemo in favor of nautilus. Uninstalling nemo wants to uninstall the entire cinnamon and some other associated files. You’d have to break apart the meta package first. For me this is also bloating.
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I have this one old laptop just to try some distroes and for the last year it’s been unused to “torture” Void (XFCE) without updating it for a long time. I just powered it today the first time after January (see the pic) and updated it. I needed to first update the package manager xbps and then everything else and it works! This is something I call very reliable OS! And yes, I wouldn’t do this with my daily driver, this is just my old laptop which I don’t use for anything. If some day Void breaks I’ll try some other rolling release on this laptop. Void is great!
and now after reboot:
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I guess that is because a file manager may be tightly integrated into the DE that it is installed into, so much so that it is really part of the DE.
Some file managers are DE-agnostic
. I just want to have stuff installed that I really use.
Then start with a minimal install, and add the things you want.
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Have you noticed, when you updaye an old Void, it does not go through every version of each package, it just installs the latest version of each package.
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Have you noticed that when you update an old Void, it does not go through every intermediate version of each package, it just installs the latest version. It can skip updates. That indicates that it does not do patches, only full reinstalls. Perhaps that is part of why it works well.
FreeBSD has a complicated upgrade system that allows you to step forwards or backwards through any number of releases. It seems to be entirely separate from the package system which is used to install individual addon packages. Freebsd keeps all addon packages separate from the system in /usr/local. You can mix and match addon packages, but not system components. Linux could learn from that.
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I hadn’t noticed but it makes sense.
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