Do we all see the same thing on the internet?

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I think this sums up the original topic question

If I could, I would add an Eleventh Commandment:
 Thou shalt not distort, delay, or sequester information.
Donella Meadows
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mythical secret rule that is presumed to be known by others, e.g. “Remember the eleventh commandment: ‘Don’t get caught’.” or “We can’t be punished! That violates the eleventh commandment: ‘The rich don’t go to jail’.”

Today think noah would need a mountain to write all the commandments on … ha ha ha (btw I know it was not noah ! That was part of the joke ha ha ha)

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That could be the 12th. :wink:
Eleventh would be a mirrored 10th, something like
You shall not make your neighbor covet your house…

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I tried
I set the “Enhanced tracking protection” under Waterfox settings to “Strict”
and
I set cookies and Site Data" setting to “Delete cookies and site data when Waterfox is closed”

Then I use the safewfox script

firejail --private --private-tmp --disable-mnt --nodbus --nodvd --nogroups --nonewprivs --noroot --notv --nou2f --novideo --private-cache --private-dev --dns=1.1.1.1 --dns=9.9.9.9 waterfox -no-remote --env=MOZ_DISABLE_CONTENT_SANDBOX=1 --env=MOZ_DISABLE_GMP_SANDBOX=1 --env=MOZ_DISABLE_RDD_SANDBOX=1 --pref network.cookie.cookieBehavior=2

When I login to the bank there are 6 cookies running, whereas without these 2 settings there are 12.

but
Every time I restart Waterfox, it sets the Settings back to default ??? … I think maybe those env= options are interfering.?

Anyway , I think the whole thing is becoming a pointless exercise…
firejail alone is enough without fiddling Settings in Waterfox .

I also question why the new firejail recipe omitted --private… I readded it. We dont want anything writing in home directory.

@Rosika … do you have any final thoughts on this? To me there does not seem to be any good reason to use a tough settings Waterfox instead of normal Firefox.

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Hi Neville, :waving_hand:

I see.
But wasn´t this to be expected, as you ran the firejail command using the --private option :red_question_mark:
Upon closing waterfox every tweak would be directed to nirvana, i.e. the next time you start it this way you´re presented with a fresh install of waterfox, in a manner of speaking.

If you want to retain the settings:
“Enhanced tracking protection” and “Delete cookies and site data when Waterfox is closed” …
… you´d have to start the firejail command with a pre-defined directory.
firejail --private=[PATH-TO-DERICORY] ...

BTW:

For doing my online-banking once in a while the need of being able to download documents provided my by bank institute arises.

In this case I run the command (fish-syntax):

[ -d /media/rosika/f14a27c2-0b49-4607-94ea-2e56bbf76fe1/DATEN-PARTITION/Dokumente/prov_work_ksk ]; and echo already_exists; or mkdir /media/rosika/f14a27c2-0b49-4607-94ea-2e56bbf76fe1/DATEN-PARTITION/Dokumente/prov_work_ksk

in the terminal first.

Accessing the command in fish is a piece of cake. I didn´t even have to define an alias for it. :wink:

If by any chance the working directory prov_work_ksk is still in existence I can delete it with the help of the repective command from the terminal of with the help of my file manager. It´s done in a jiffy.

Now, if you use the pre-defined working directory solely for your online banking (and nothing else) you´d never have to re-create the working directory again and could use firejail´s --private=[...] option.
This way your settings should be retained.

Hope it helps.

Many greetings from Rosika :slightly_smiling_face:

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Hi Rosika,
I see, that explains it , thank you.
Waterfox has to store its settings somewhere, and if you deny it access it starts with default settings.

In the end I decided that all the non-default settings did was reduce the number of cookies… but the cookies all belonged to the bank anyway so they did not matter.

So I think we could use either Firefox or Waterfox inside firejail with the default settings.

Regards
Neville

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With anti-social media, I entirely expect to be presented what it thinks I want to see – to milk my clicks. But with things like mastodon and this forum I expect to see what the community does.

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That is the reality of it.
We have not seen any evidence that discourse would interfere with presentation like social media do. We have seen bot topics which seem to be purposless vandalism.

There are hidden topics… eg Messages and Lounge. We do not all see that.

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