How do you handle schools requiring a MS or Google account for children?

While I could kind of agree with this to a certain extent… I also think it’s important to explain the trade-off: kids works are being used as training data for AI, and to analyze developmental knowledge.
If marketeers know your age in a certified way (= official school record, not some kid entering a fake DOB), they know at what age get in puberty, what age you’ll be going to uni or getting a job, etc… While they maybe won’t market you individually, they will market your profile. And while they aren’t allowed while you are inside the school context, they for sure will do it outside of that context (e.g. on YouTube, after school hours, when you’re 2 years older, etc…)

Also… I think it’s important that in school we are taught that there are multiple solutions. So yeah, let Google be the main platform if you think it’s an industry standard. But also show them NextCloud with Collabora Office and Office 365. Explain them (at the right age) what pros and cons are.

When I was a kid, we grew up with software on floppies. I was raised with the idea that as a kid, it was okay to make copies of software - even if it was illegal. Then I saw the emerging of the BSA - just after MS started developing “student licenses” - telling us all that it was highly illegal to make copies, and that they could confiscate my computer and put me in jail. Despite that, MS didn’t crack down on illegal copies on kids and teens. They were fully aware that what a kid grew up with, would become his de facto standard when he ever got into corporate. And what better way to get businesses to buy their software, than new employees demanding it.

So yes… if we want the Google sh*t to be our future standard… we need to raise our kids to be most comfortable in that system.

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Not using M$Word ,I can read /create Word docs in LibreOffice ,OnlyOffice and FreeOffice.

Frank in County Wicklow Ireland

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I use Firefox as my web browser, and Thunderbird as my desktop email program. I use the Language Tool add-on in both Firefox and Thunderbird for both spell/grammar-check. I like it a lot,

Ernie

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Am I living in alien world ?
Google accounts in school huh , in my school they do not even allow us to search and intentionally they have disabled all network infrastructure.

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As others here, I have no children in school, and I’m not a teacher, but I do have opinions. As far as I’m concerned, my local schools can choose whichever computer/OS they want to supply to their students (as well as any needed group licensing through the school), provided they include a required computer technology course that teaches the students about the alternatives. For example, here in the United States, a computer running Windows (perhaps in S-mode), or Chrome OS will be a common choice, but I think the schools should teach students about GNU/Linux and Mac-OS (providing Apple will provide schools with economical/free licensing). The same should hold true if the school chooses any other computer/OS. Additionally, Governments the world over should enact laws to control/prevent data collection about children under the age of majority (18 or 21 here in the U.S.A.). Additionally, the schools curriculum should be enhanced by the computer/OS the school chooses.

My2Cents,

Ernie

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That is indeed very different than in our regions in Europe.
Blocking internet access would seem a bit radical though.

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Yes, that’s about the document format.

I’m talking about what software comes preinstalled on computers, what screenshots are shared in the instruction manuals and how documents that travel for editing between MS Office and LibreOffice (=my experience) end up with a shitload of crappy markup and styling.

I’m talking about requirements schools sometimes impose by default. Government funded computers by default come with Windows preinstalled. Kids in poverty don’t buy a device, but “lease” it. During that lease period, they are not allowed to install their own software (let alone OS) on that computer.

That’s the extent of my worries.

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It used to be that with maths you had to show your working out, each step, so even if you got the answer wrong the teacher could see how you arrived and if the error was a mistake or in effect you did not know. I liked that idea.

Bit more difficult in word processing, its the information in the answer thats important. But with all the auto correction tools available do you need to be able to spell or know grammar or punctuation…

So is it
S
‘S
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Who knows as wordprocessing corrects.

By the way i never really followed that and every time i was told it just passed through and never stayed

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