Privacy focused? Really? Waterfox.... user beware

As some of you already know, a big reason for me to switch to Linux was privacy and or lack thereof at Windows OS. Now after I started creating a social network site and chose total privacy at its core function, next to chronology, I apparently got an eye for it:

I had switched to Waterfox the even more privacy focused fork of Firefox, now a new version came out with following release note:
https://www.waterfox.com/releases/6.6.13/

Any of you guys read such things? It catched my eye that they took out startpage search completely, a privacy focused search engine, because of monetary gains gaps.
So they switched to 1.org as standard search engine, well ok to support such a good project, I’ll try it, I thought. Here’s the catch, I actually read the Privacy Policy and Terms, ever since I created such myself for my own site at least.

Well, a standard search engine which has a longer privacy policy than terms seemed already weird to me, length is mostly due to defending not adhering to things…

Their new charity partner turns out not to be a charity, but an adtech company a leech like google. And not a partner, but they are both owned by the same company.

In my eyes that’s all fraudulent, just look it up for yourself.

1 .org/terms
1 .org/privacy

In other words:

System1 LLC and its affiliates and subsidiaries (including Infospace Holdings LLC, Qool Media Holdings LLC, Dotzup Holdings LLC, Concourse Media Holdings LLC, MapQuest Holdings LLC, Privacy One Group Limited and System1 Waterfox Holdings LLC)…

System1 owns Waterfox. Not partners with — owns. “System1 Waterfox Holdings LLC” is right there in black and white.

Now go back and reread the release notes with that context:

  • “As a small project these discussions move slowly” — they’re not a small project. They’re a subsidiary of a publicly traded adtech corporation.
  • “We wanted to be transparent about the change” — while never mentioning that the “charitable” search engine they’re directing you to is run by their own parent company.
  • “Leaving [search ads] enabled is exactly how the built-in blocker supports us” — “us” is System1’s revenue pipeline.
  • “Please consider disabling your ad blocker on our default search provider” — they’re asking you to whitelist their owner’s tracking infrastructure.

The whole release note is crafted to read like a scrappy indie browser struggling to survive, when the reality is that an adtech company installed its own search engine as the default on a browser it owns, then framed it as a charitable partnership. The “transparency” they boast about is performative — they’re transparent about the surface-level changes while obscuring the corporate relationship that drives them.

And yes, the irony of the Terms being short while the privacy policy is a novella is very on-brand. The ToS basically says “we own everything, you owe us everything, we’re liable for nothing.” The privacy policy needs to be long because they have to legally disclose all the ways they harvest and sell your data.

So the mainline: Waterfox’s privacy focus was arguably already compromised when System1 acquired it. Everything since — the search defaults, the ad blocker that whitelists their own ads, the “charitable” framing — is just the logical progression of an adtech company leveraging a privacy-branded browser as a data funnel.

Keep your eyes open

I don’t love the switch from privacy-focused System1 property to more standard System1 property, but System1 hasn’t owned Waterfox for several years.

They seem to still have a subsidiary called System1 Waterfox Holdings LLC in 2026 (can’t see what’s in it specifically; would presume a shell entity at this point), but Waterfox went independent again in 2023. Previous SEC filings when Waterfox was under System1 show both Waterfox Limited and System1 Waterfox Holdings LLC, but recent filings just show the shell company. Waterfox itself is now owned/developed by Alex Kontos again under Browserworks Ltd.

System1 also already own Startpage, under Privacy One Group Limited, as per those filings. So it’s more swapping out one System1 product for another rather than bending the knee to a parent company. The RN do suggest it’s a temporary arrangement while they secure another default provider.

Whether that’s a reasonable compromise for privacy-minded users like you and me is another question… I’d lean no, given that 1(.)org has a more direct System1 ad/search monetisation model than Startpage, even if both are subsidiaries of System1 at present.

IMO, your best bet for maximising privacy is to choose your own search engine rather than rely on the default. Something like Kagi, Mojeek, or a reputable public SearXNG instance, rotated occasionally, with browser hardening. Whether that’s through a hardened fork of Firefox or stock Firefox hardened individually.

Does that mean that the documents @youniversalis has been reading are old out-of-date stuff. ?
You have to be careful with internet docs … people never clean up after themselves. Are you sure the stuff you are reading is current?

My understanding is that the original developer of Waterfox has re-acquired it.

Please correct me if I am misreading the situation.

“Waterfox is independent again” and “Alex Kontos Founder, Waterfox” from

That link is from July, 2023 or just shy of THREE YEARS ago - not saying if it was true or not then, but it certainly does not necessarily have anything to do with what the CURRENT situation is…

I haven’t been unhappy with my existing FF + privacy addins, from a privacy standpoint - it seems to be pretty good when I test it against some of the various privacy test sites…

However I’m FAR from happy with some of the other stuff that FF does… My biggest peeve is the way they do a forced restart after their to frequent updates. And when it restarts it doesn’t maintain my window arrangement, and might or might not open the tabs I was trying to look at when it did the restart… It often fails to properly reconnect / reload my Proton VPN, and so on… I find I have a typical 20-30 minutes MINIMUM of f__king around with it to get back to where I was before the restart, on EACH of my machines…

It makes me want to not update when it’s such a pain - or find a different browser!

As far as I can tell, the information in that link is still current.

If you are unhappy with FF, you might consider LibreWolf or Waterfox. They do not update as frequently.
I use Waterfox on Android. It performs well there.

Really, browsers are becoming huge unmanageable programming projects. They try to do too many things.

I agree that browser to day many of them has so much options it takes forever to go through it all. And som options it not that useful either at least i think so.

I know AI can be wrong sometimes, but here is the info I got from it.

"Today, Waterfox is owned and operated by BrowserWorks Ltd., a company run by its founder, Alexandros Kontos. Waterfox’s official FAQ states that it is “once again independent and grassroots.”

I went to the company website and it said “Director: Alexandros (“Alex”) Kontos” and at the bottom of the webpage it said “© 2026 Waterfox. All rights reserved.”

But who knows for sure? It still could not be true.

It is still independent as of May 2026, as per the most recent company filings of BrowserWorkds Ltd.

A fork of Firefox may be of interest to you; they are generally downstream most of the updates, and so require less frequent restarts.

Interesting - I just took a look for WaterFox and LibreWolf and neither is listed in the Debian repo… (I’m running on Deb Forky (testing))

I went to the websites for each - I didn’t see anything that I really didn’t like in LibreWolf, and WaterFox looked quite appealing other than the 1 .org question - looking at the privacy policy I see lots there NOT to like… (seems like a careful combination of the worst practices of Alphabet, Meta, etc.:face_vomiting: ) I would certainly consider WaterFox otherwise, but only if I changed the default search engine to something more privacy respecting.

LibreWolf says it has it’s own repo with a Debian compatible .deb file. WaterFox only has a .tar file option w/ manual installation…

Neither has any explicit instructions about how to switch from FireFox… :cry: I’d think that having instructions on how to change from other major browsers would be a no-brainer thing to do given that if you are on their site and aren’t using their browser you are probably using a different one… (Marketing 101 - make it as easy as possible to switch to your product…)

ex-Gooserider

There is for waterfox

You can run both FF and WF until you are happy with one. They will not clash. You can even run both simultaneously.

Thanks for that link - I didn’t do a general search, just looked in the documentation for each of them which is probably / certainly why I didn’t find it…

Looks like a process I could live with I think…

ex-Gooserider