Why are Windows Users so Difficult to Convert to Linux?

Me, too, Xander. Successful businesses service 80% of their customers with 80% of their assets. Failing businesses spend 80% on the 20% of their customers who cry the most. The CAD users who ‘really need Windows’ are way less the 20% of users, a real micro-niche. Why worry about them? Here in the 80% of satisfied Linux users, we’re happy pointing and clicking. As long as we have the Fedora and Debian gangs to keep producing polished, successful, and capable distros, we don’t need to worry about the microscopic part of the market–the CADs, Arch, Gentoo, LFS. Let them splash around in their own little puddles while we swim in the nice big lake of ordinary users.

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Soooooo… which FOSS (Free Open Source Software) do you use?

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After an extended exploration of many, many distros, I have settled (for now) on Debian 13 with a KDE desktop for a daily driver. I may explore tiled desktops, and KDE offers a limited one. With a 1T SSD, I can just make a partition to try a distro if I’m not satisfied with a virtual version. Boxes will run almost anything.

It’s all about comfort and choice, Xander, and I’m most comfortable in KDE with the apt family of packages.

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Comfort and choice for daily workbench and entertainment.
Out of comfort zone for adventure and learning.

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Would need more than that, perhaps Europe wide perhaps.

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Linux Foundation “buy” a port for some of these critical packages

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What classes as critical package for you may not be for others, how many times have you used a music program in the last years to composé a song, so critical or not ? Just for example.

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Never saw it on a mac, I started teaching pagemill on the mac when I worked for apple back in the 1990s very limited. Then move to teaching hotmetal pro, then dreamweaver, through frontpage (never liked that) finally we settled on contribute another Adobe products, but it needed someone to do the layout first.

Probably none!!! Unless it is either Gentoo or LFS!!!

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I have built Windows XP pretty much from scratch, built my own ISO, made it bootable and installed Windows XP on my old shop PC. That has nothing to do with being a “Microsoft employee”!!! Still have that ISO on file!!!

I have ran both, both are too bloated for my liking!!!

I do not run office software, notepad does everything I need!!!

How far did you get with LFS? Do not know why you think Windows is so unstable, I have no issues with W11!!!

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Then… what are you doing here? This is a place where people come for FOSS, not for proprietary software.

Then you did not build it from scratch. No equal comparison to LFS or Gentoo, as you did not build from source. So, apparently you’d need to be a Microsoft employee with access to Windows’ source code in order to get a level playing field.

What you could compare building Windows from a minimalist point with is probably with Void Linux or Arch, but not with Gentoo and especially not LFS.

I finished LFS (as the mention of having built (and booted) my own kernel should have told you), checked BLFS out. Ended up going for Gentoo, as I could not be arsed to manage my BLFS system (could have, looked easy enough).

Because I experienced it being unstable (all kinds of mysterious problems, driver issues, crashes because of cruft collection, etc.). That your experience is different than mine, does not mean your experience is more, or less, valid than mine. They’re both equally valid.

Oh, btw:

LINUX IS BETTER!!!

There. That’ll be €40 for a Linux ad.

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The point is that @Daniel_Phillips uses Linux in a different way to most people here. He uses it to learn, not as a worktool. When people have issues with bootloaders or with hardware @Daniel_Phillips is one of our best helpers. He helped me to get a start with Gentoo . We need knowledgable people in this forum.

There is also the occasion where @Daniel_Phillips plays the Devil’s Advocate, just to promote discussion. I think that is OK, as long as people dont misinterpret it.

And, we have to accept that 75% of the population are Windows voters… we are a minority group. we should have some awareness of what the majority vote wants, even if we agree to differ.

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I must agree with xahodo. Windows after EACH update starts “Disk Recovery”, 1 hour of Windows detecting faults in the disk and reparing them. Microsoft must more betatest updates.

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Mine never does!!!

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There are clearly 2 different experiences here.
I did note some slow updates years ago with W10, and it had the annoying feature of not shutting down instantly.

So @Daniel_Phillips can you tell us the secret to smooth operation of Win?

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I am no expert but what @George1 is talking about is the disk check utility. XP used to be notorious with disk check, but it can de disabled, but W11 has never did a disk check, and with my SSD drives I do not expect any disk check!!!

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So is it a matter of how old is your disk drive.? Or perhaps do you have a journalled filesystem?
All OS’s fsck the disk occasionslly, but mine are ususlly a matter of less than a minute. What could take an hour? A disk nearing failure maybe?

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To stop chkdsk on boot, open an elevated prompt and run chkntfs /x c: different things

can trigger a chkdsk and it can take time to complete a chkdsk run. chkdsk is mostly only

used on HDD drives, other utilities can be ran for SSD drives!!!

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Honestly I highly dislike Windows. But I’ve seen, repaired, installed, saved data from, etc. numerous instances, and I need to admit, the the ugly beast resource wasting Windows show all signs which I kind of hate don’t like, but such too frequent disk checks upon start ring my alarmbell for a hardware problem. Or a faulty driver of a hardware.

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CHKDSK is for the filesystem check, not the underlying hardware. Isn’t it?

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NTFS is journaling. Still, it can be corrupted when the system was unexpectedly and/or not correctly shut down, or the underlying hardware (HDD, SSD) is about to fail.

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A while ago I had a computer. Windows had flagged several sectors as “bad”. Linux, on the same disk: no problem. The “faulty” sectors worked without a problem. NOTE: that was after I had checked it with Linux as well. NOTE: Linux tends to be extremely strict regarding specifications (unlike Windows).

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