Why don't more people use Linux?

Absolutely. ‘Linux’ actually is not an OS. It is an assembly of different tools combined with the GNU system to make it as an OS.

Exactly and Microsoft cashed that psychology. Technogy is evolving to make people lazy. Microsoft just gave them an OS which made people lazy, just like me and they loved it. But after so many years of wrong doing, it has become from ‘pet’ to a ‘monster’. So, in present scenario, people are inclining towards Linux with a hope that it will help them to ditch Windows for good and this is Linux’s chance. A chance to evolve in such an OS which will be more user-friendly and will help them forget Windows. If Linux can do that, it will be a sunshine for this amazing OS and it will end the reign of bloodsucking Microsoft and its pet project Windows. Windows will be shut for Microsoft to look out for help.

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We all have our own interpretation of people and events, mine is very different to yours. Not right or wrong just how we perceive things have passed in history. I was not there that day and did not know him personally so will reserve judgement. I also dont believe some to be as bad as made out.

Prefer to work on technical subjects than people

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That is exactly the way Linux or BSD are meant to be used.
Sometimes people expect to find one program that does everything they want…Unix is not like that, it is a toolbox that expects users to be creative in combining tools to achieve a goal.
One of the problems with GUI’s is that they can make it more difficult to combine the steps needed to solve a problem. We need to work on that.

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You gave me a lot of courage and brought back a lot of memory. From today I am stopping ranting about ‘what cannot be done’… ‘what is not working’… and will start make things work as I used to do 30 years back. At that time using a computer was not that easy like it is today and as I mentioned earlier, Windows made us lazy… very lazy.

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Three things Linux could market on?

  • Change it to your heart’s content.
  • You are in control.
  • You won’t be tracked.

So, turning that into a slogan could be: “Linux… Power, control, freedom!” Can anyone with marketing experience turn this into something catchy? Something people won’t forget?

An ad could be a cartoon of somebody dancing with Tux.

Let’s start an international ad campaign (ironically :slight_smile: ) with Google. The people clicking on it could be directed to distrochooser.de/ or some website explaining Linux for those at home in language a toddler could understand. I’m willing to write the text for that website (I’m terrible at drawing and web design).

The website could contain links to some companies selling computers with Linux pre-installed (such as Tuxedo and System76). Maybe we could even approach them to fund the ad campaign.

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No Google please. :pray:t4:

I think Xander “Marketing Man” Hoogendoorn just did. :slight_smile:

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Why not? It’s the search engine of the masses. We’d be missing a lot of people if we don’t use google.

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Ok lets give the job to

Xander Hoogendoorn

And if it works we vote for him if it fails we blame him !

Sorry mate someone has to shoot the messenger!
Think younhave got the ideas right its just plugging it to everyone thats hard to do.

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I made an account just to respond to this post. It absolutely amazes me how tone-deaf and insular so much of Linux community is on this matter.

Why don’t more people use Linux? Because OSes are not a “hobby” for the overwhelming majority of users, and for users from whom OSes are not a “hobby” the primary concern is: what system will most fully meet my use cases with the minim time and resource investment.

That’s not “lazy” for people for whom OSes are not a source of hobby. It’s smart and reasonable. Consider what you are trying to convince non-hobby folks to do:

“Hey you should switch to Linux!”

“Does it support my hardware?” “Probably! But it may take some extra steps, or maybe not.”

“Does it support multiple monitors?” “Sort of, sometimes. But not always and not well”

“Does it support NIVIDA?” “Yes! Well, most of the time. And if you want the same performance you currently have, you’ll need to make sure you pick the right distros and/or be prepared for follow several guides on the additional steps to take”

“Does it support the most commonly used suite of Office Products?” “No, BUT BUT you can find plenty free alternatives, that will MOSTLY read and maintain the formatting of your existing documents, presentations and spreadsheets, but not perfectly and you’ll need to learn a different product which works at least slightly differently even if its trying to replicate the experience of the product you are currently using.”

You know what, I could keep going on for pages with things like this. And in response the Linux community will point to the benefits of better security and more freedom to do whatever you want. The former is just something that isn’t enough of a plus for most people no matter how much you think it “should” be, and the latter is another example of the fact that most people don’t see OSes as their hobby.

Bottom line, until Linux can truly say “We do everything Window does exactly like Windows does it, only better” its not going to win over non hobbyists.

Saying "we can emulate everything windows does with some extra steps and with “close enough” quality or similarity - that’s super neat for a hobbyist and NOWHERE NEAR GOOD ENOUGH for anyone else else.

When Linux writers and influencers cling to this smug idea that more people don’t use Linux because they’re lazy, dumb, or uneducated, they sound like utter buffoons.

PC: Fedora/Windows dual boot
Laptop: Arch/Windows dual boot, because I AM a hobbyist.

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I tried to say much of what you said earlier. The computer you buy needs to support the software you need to run. Not the other way around.

When someone asks an expert, “What computer should I buy?”

The answer needs to be, “What are you going to use it for?”

It is sort of a chicken and the egg thing where there is no software to support some process because there is a small community of users. There is a small community of users because the software doesn’t always exist.

Some people make this a holy war. It should just be about what works for you. Some people also prioritize the “politics” of choosing an OS and that’s fine for them. If they can justify it for themselves, great. Not everyone can.

I get it.

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But, if Linux did become exactly like Windows, it would lose the hobbyists, and there would be no point in it existing.
Linux needs to be different and better and retain its customizable character.

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Sure I run Linux, but not on my W11 machine, why should I? Windows does not need any help!!! Has nothing to do with “Why don’t more people use Linux” but “Why does not Linux support my hardware”? I have a 30 yr old XP install that runs Nvidia graphics better than any Linux install!!!
Been saying what you just said for several years on this forum, and if one runs Linux, that’s cool, but this discussion is getting rather boring, and has little to do with using Linux.

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BINGO!!! You are seeing the light!!!

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Seriously??!! Aren’t you aware of the recent accusations on Google?! Don’t you know that USA has sued Google? And Google has already been sued and fined for multimillion dollars in many countries. Google WAS a search engine, that was decades ago. Now it’s an advertising company who steals customers’ data, invading use them and sells them. Almost everyone is talking about ‘DE-GOOGLE’ their life. Where were you? In Mars? :smile: Just joking. :wink::innocent:

You are right here, as well as @xahodo is right.
Google is both the search engine of masses, which is the big-tech advertising monster at the same time.
But you blacklist google from the mission (namely make Linux more attractive to people) you just won’t reach people tightly tied to google…
It’s that simple.

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Man!!! I was literally laughing reading the objections you have mentioned and they are so so true. Sorry, my Linux-friends here but I am absolutely understanding what he was talking about because, not 99.99% but 100% of Windows users are non-hobbyist. They use Windows because it supports their computer hardware and vice versa. Microsoft is not like GNU/LINUX. It is a profit making company. It will not make its products to support my PC hardware, instead they will force me to buy PC parts according to their choice and they are doing this from the begining because they earn millions of dollars from those components manufacturers. Linux should not be like Microsoft because Linux is a GNU project which is open source and there lies the beauty. Microsoft cannot and will not change its products, Nvidia will not change its products but Linux can. It can make things work by inventing some SOLID workaround and the apps can make themselves as TRUE ALTERNATIVES of Windows and its apps so that users can have an OS and apps which will work out of the box. If Linux would ask users to change their working habit, change their computers, then what would be the difference between it and Microsoft?

You don’t have to blacklist Google but make it optional, like Mozilla. Leave it to the user. They will decide what search engine they would use like I use DuckDuckGo both in my PC and cellphone. And Google is the side talk here. We are fighting here against Microsoft, against Nvidia. Google will never be able to affect GNU/LINUX.

My point here:
Minimal investment right know means paying much more in the long run.

I think we should consider how to support non-techie non-hobbyists for free.
Users of any proprietary OS just outsourced their computers sys-admin tasks to the big companies, they do this happily, because that opens up an almost inifinte market.

Users of Linux either keep the sys-admin tasks in their hands, or need to find a techie kid who is able to help in some direct way, if there’s a need for it.

For that purpose hungarians created a map of volunteers:

This is probably not frequently used, but I was visiting 2 people in the years, and 1 man visited me so I could help and sort out Ubuntu related problems. They have found me on this map and as I was the closest geographically, choosed me to be in help for them.

It was a great pleasure anyway, I do love experience of success :slight_smile:

Maybe a similar map of volunteers for worldwide could make Linux more attractive?

This is bullshit!

As a hobby-linuxer you probably know exactly, that while Linux supports hardware, regarding the proprietary OSes the thing is the other way around: the hardware vendors give their drivers for those OSes, if a hardware vendor ignores Linux, that hardware will not be usable in Linux… This can change only if hardware vendors take Linux into account, but that needs Linux users to be a measurable (not negligible) market. (Do you see the catch 22?)

But I agree, hardware supporting an OS versus an OS supporting a particular hardware: as an end user the difference is not clear.

The simple answer is YES in this case.
Not only Libreoffice exists… :wink:

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I think I misunderstood either you, or @xahodo :thinking:

This is about using Google as an advertising space, to reach the “unconcious” masses, and not about choosing a cloud-computing-and-email-service-provider.
At least this the idea I got from @xahodo :

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