I broke the law: Installed Davinci Resolve 18.6 on Debian 12!

My first experience with Linux was around that time also, with Ubuntu and that was a horror movie. :smile: I was assembling a PC for a client who was a student of the famous Kharagpur IIT college which was and still number one IIT college in India and… he didn’t know a thing about Linux. :roll_eyes: But because his course needs it, he requested me to install Linux alongside Windows… XP I think and I didn’t know anything about Linux… still don’t know. So, I used my DOS and Windows knowledge and on the way of installing Ubuntu when I saw that I am not understanding the partition table in Linux, I decided to abort the installation. I did something which I can’t remember exactly but this I can remember that Ubuntu gave a warning like this, “If you abort now, the disk might be unusable”. So, I restarted the PC, either using ctrl+alt+del or hard reset. But I can recall, after restart, I saw Windows was not booting. So, I confidently reboot the machine with Windows 98 DVD and in horror I saw Windows 98 setup was not detecting the HDD. That time internet was not so easily available. I did not have any idea what is going on because BIOS was detecting the HDD and the client will come the next morning to take the PC and will leave for his college (Kharagpur IIT is a residential college). I was sweating like hell in the midnight of a midwinter. Ultimately DOS saved me. Better to say FDISK saved me. My Linux journey ended that day. :joy::joy: But I always admired Linux, just like I admire Monica Belucci’s beauty… from a distant. :joy::joy::joy: Thanks to Microsoft, I ultimately started my love affair, with Linux obviously, at this age.:wink::laughing: Better late than never. :wink::smile:Hope with the help of this extended family, I will be able to ditch Windows in a lesser time.

There is an itsFOSS review of video editors

It says the 2 most professional ones are

  • Davinci Resolve
  • Lightworks

Both are not Open Source.
Both offer a free Linux version… so Free but not OS

I wonder has Lightworks been considered?

Void Linux has the following in its repo… OpenShot, FlowBlade, OBS, Avidemux, Olive, Blender, Vidcutter.

My Devuan (==Debian) has KDEnlive, Openshot, Flowblade, OBS, Avidemux, Olive, Blender, auto-editor, Pitivi, Shocut.

My Artix (==Arch) has KDEnlive, Openshot, Avidemux

So the one with all the votes from open-source fanatics is OpenShot

I find that the things Void chooses to include in its repo are usually good workable packages.

I am not saying any of the open source choices are better than DR.
I just think after all this DR discussion, people should be aware of open source alternatives.
and
@Skywalker71 , I find it strange that one would be passionate about moving to Linux, and then want to use closed source packages.

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I tried it years ago before finding Davinci. It works, but the free version is limited to 1280*720, which was not enough for me to enter.

Openshot is OK to make very-very-very simple things.
Like cutting out a lead-in, and cut a lead-out, or just place clips on timeline in series, and render a movie of that.
It’s usage is a nightmare, if thing to create is more complex than that.

OBS is not an editor (but a great broadcasting app, I love it, and used quite a lot for live streaming events with 2 or 3 cam).
Avidemux is a great tool for transcoding, making cuts on keyframes, and export lossless…
Again, not an editor.
From the list KDENlive is the most promising FOSS video editor, but I had not much success with it, it crashed too many times when I tried.
Blender is rather a 3D animator, not a video editor.
I don’t know the others, except Olive, which is in it’s early childhood, after growing up it may be a good editor.

The list does not mention Cinelerra, which is a robust pro thingie, if anything, that really worth consideration.

If the main goal is to be open-source completely, you are right.
But not everyones main goal is this.
My benefit was with moving to Linux:

  • I own my computer again (with Windows 10 really MS owned it)
  • I can decide what I want to install and what not (With Windows 10 I always had candy crush saga, however I did not want it, it took a measurably big space on the limited size SSD, and whenever I managed to remove it with a powershell script, it came back in few days; with Windows 10 it always knew “better” which version of VGA driver I want to use, it always upgraded to a newer version available, which broke my Vegas pro instance literally every second tuesday - phew)
  • The core system is hugely more resource friendly

These were my main benefits of moving to Linux.
Things in Linux being hugely more tinker-friendly is just a bonus for me, not the main goal :wink:

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Hi Laszlo,
Good answer.
I am really just trying to make people think… one needs to consider whether what one is doing aligns with what one believes to be good and true.

I always try to use open source tools, and if they are deficient I sometimes try to contribute something to improve them…

I do understand that DR is the best product.
What I would worry about in @Skywalker71 's case is that getting it installed will not be the end of his problems. Updates will break things, because DR is rather version sensitive.
I really think he might be better off using DR in a container ( VM or docker or distrobox) so he could isolate its environment from Fedora.
What would you think of that approach?

Neville

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Yes, I saw it, but it is not in my repos. They distribute it independently. It is open source.
You say it is professional standard?

It would seem that in this area, the repos are full of ugly ducklings, and all the good software is elsewhere.
That is not as it should be.

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Statutory warning: Read this unnecessary history at your own risk of wasting time because László wrote it all.

That is my fate. :disappointed: In Windows, I am used to do things with Adobe products… Adobe Premiere for video editing, Adobe Audition for audio editing and Adobe Photoshop for photo editing. In India, most of the production houses use Adobe Premiere. As I was once a part of that industry too, I am also used to use these softwares. The softwares you have mentioned, they are good but none can go even 1 mile closer to those Adobe producrs. These open source video editors cannot be used in professional production. I cannot explain why but when I tried to use these, yes everyone of these, I could not feel that ease of use, that workflow. As an example, in Kdenlive, I tried to use noise reduction of the audio and increase the sound level. It was a brainstorming experience. In fact I couldn’t do it. I have to see some tutorial and then I might be able to learn. But in general, every professional grade video editors have these things in common. Avid could not be so much appealing to most of the people because it tried to do it in a completely different way. If you have to learn everything from scratch just to use a different video editor then it will be a big problem. Imagine you want to make a hexagonal wheel and try to implement it in car development. What will happen? Some enthusiasts may try to implement it but most of the manufacturers will reject it because of the lack of usefulness, because of the lack of professionalism. Userfriendliness should be the main goal. If to switching to another video editing software involves a steep learning curve, then most of the people will not welcome it. The developers of these Linux based video editing softwares tried to do the same thing differently which may be good as an experiment, but not so much good from professional point of view. Davinci Resolve also would not be so successful if they didn’t have that colour grading weapon in their arsenal. Most of the moviemakers use DR for colour grading mainly. Not only that, DR have made some amazing hardware for colour grading specially. Now they are expanding to full fledged movie making, sound editing, special effects all in one single application which no company had think about. Even their FREE application is so powerful that you edit a small movie with it… from production to finished product. You don’t have to think about any other software, obviously if you don’t want to use some heavy special effects etc. But that doesn’t mean that I am a super professional industry standard editor. No, I am not. But I want to use something easy and useful. I haven’t found that yet in Linux. May be I am missing something.

In Kdenlive, when rendering a video in h.264 format, it gives me errors: "Unsupported video codec: libx264” and same for h.265, Unsupported video codec: libx265”. How can I install these codecs?

At least close to it. It’s just so alien…

Resolve is there just ruin video market - that’s an opinion I read somewhere, but I think it has something in it: who on Earth would want to pay a subscription for Premier, if there’s a onetime purchase that is cheaper after the first year? (Not to mention the free version :smiley: )

BM has lot’s of hollywood-grade movie making hardware to offer. That is their real business, and it started with hardware, DR came later. But DR is just something we, the small and poor individuals can make use of…

Well, Davinci is not like that. It requires to have a “pilot exam” :slight_smile:

Well, I felt this when moved from Vegas to Davinci.
It takes a learning curve to get used to the different software.

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@Skywalker71
You and I are kind of in the same boat!!! From what I read and understand, you are trying to run a professional grade program, ie DR, on a compromised machine, not fully able to do the task, I do hope, you get DR running.

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Yes. But Resolve has a very beautiful and useful option. When you first start Resolve, it gives an option to choose workspace layout in resemblance of some very popular video editing softwares like Premiere Pro, Vegas and few others which I can’t remember right now and Resolve’s own workspace layout. So, I always choose Premier Pro and it gives me my familier layout… almost. As a result, the initial scariness becomes lesser and the user becomes a bit confident and when you feel a bit of confidence in you, then the learning curve becomes less steep.

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Yes. My machine is a bit old but I never felt lack of performance which is very strange. It is not super fast but it is giving decent performance and thank you for the good wish. I also do hope that I will be able to get DR running with the help from you all, specially @kovacslt László is helping me tremendously.

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Now there are two drivers from the RHEL family. Which one should I use - 8.9 or 9.3? There is no Fedora specific driver.

I don’t have a 3rd SSD right now. Whenever I would buy one, I would install Debian in it and then I would be able (hopefully) to solve the problem of USB 2 ports. Till then, I have to use Fedora… sadly. :frowning:

@nevj Neville, I read the documentation of the link ( GitHub - fat-tire/resolve: Container scripts to build and run DaVinci Resolve [Studio] for Linux using Docker or Podman) you gave me. As per my understanding (which may be wrong), this container shares resources from the host which is logical and for this reason, there are some prerequisites, one of which is the host machine must have a Nvidia card. :sob: So, back to the square one. :weary::disappointed:

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That link was just an example.
I think if you were to use a container environment for DR, you would have to build your own container image.
I have done it. It is a lot of work for a large program like DR… like it took me more than 6 months to build a container for Waterfox, and that was starting with some container experience.

So, I think you should try and get there in Fedora if possible.

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