My first Debian attempt - And a second one

Ok, then

is supposed to be a good thing or not?
I want the facts not an interpretation.
And good Sunday to you @Andy2 too.

You asked so I gave an answer and a link - how good is that? :face_with_monocle:

Yes - a good dead ringer - let’s play spot the difference :joy:

Remember me ? :grinning: :grinning:
I am the guy who tried to install debian on a DELL Latitude e4310, where I was asked to make the iwlwifi-6000-4.ucode file available while it refuses to see the file.

So the installation is made without network and after rebooting, I get a console/terminal.


Same thing on the DELL Latitude D830 where it takes
As you can see, it stupidly asks for them twice.

Yet the Latitude d830 has a

Device-2: Broadcom and subsidiaries BCM4311 802.11b/g WLAN vendor: Dell Wireless 1390

and yes the Latitude e4310 has a

Device-2: Intel Centrino Ultimate-N 6300

I looked some places and all I can get are deb files.
I do not want to install packages I want the files :


OTOH, I know my HP p6506f has
Device-1: Realtek RTL810xE PCI Express Fast Ethernet
vendor: Hewlett-Packard Compaq 500B Microtower driver: r8169 v: kernel
port: e800 bus ID: 02:00.0 chip ID: 10ec:8136
IF: ens33 state: down mac: 1c:c1:de:5b:73:62
Device-2: Ralink RT3090 Wireless 802.11n 1T/1R PCIe vendor: Lite-On
driver: rt2800pci v: 2.3.0 port: e800 bus ID: 03:00.0 chip ID: 1814:3090
IF: wls35 state: down mac: 70:f1:a1:b4:09:16
Device-3: Realtek RTL8188EUS 802.11n Wireless Network Adapter type: USB
driver: r8188eu bus ID: 1-7:5 chip ID: 0bda:8179
IF: wlxd03745f6d43d state: up mac: d0:37:45:f6:d4:3d

But the stupid DEBIAN can’t even see the USB dongle TL-WN725N.


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Thar stupid Debian needs non-free firmwares for that HW.
Either get an install medium with the nonfree blobs, or enable nonfree repo and install them.
I could provide you help doing this, but I’m afraid you already gave up with Debian.

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Here are 13 distros I have tried.
I have listed them in order of preference.

debian-10.7.0-amd64-netinst.iso the very worst

The first four, I was never able to get the wifi working.

The other eight are ok and again in order of preference :

I think MX-19 is just a better antiX
linuxmint-20.1-mate-Ulyssa-64bit.iso the best to my liking.

I would have liked to see what Debian looked like
but if I can’t install it easily ; I think it is is not worth the game.

Thanks anyway for your offer @kovacslt.

I admit I am used to PnP and I fully understand why so many people sneer at Linux users.


Hi @kovacslt as I have told Roger so many times check in with h-node first and then if you still insist on installing just buy…

… So simple - guaranteed to work - You can lead a horse to water but you can’t make it drink :horse: :tropical_drink: :joy:

Before you send more of the smelly stuff on this board @Andy2
I must tell you that I have just sent money to
in order to get the Penguin Wireless N USB Adapter for GNU / Linux (TPE-N150USB) - $39.97 SKU: AR9271 (TPE-N150USB)

  • Extended Warranty & Support: 90 Day Limited Warranty
  • USB Extension Cable: Select

It better run on the first try
I’ll never talk to you again.



Hi Roger, I still think you are a little confused as to where the first sample of the smelly stuff came from - I think it came from Akito’s outburst - excuse the pun - :joy: on @Rosika topic for Advice on OS Quote:-

“but to me it seems like the average user wouldn’t give a single piece of flying pig shit, if their computer uses…” - "Trisquel will be the slowest in productivity… etc.” :roll_eyes:

Please tell us all if you know of an earlier post of such :airplane: :pig: :poop: cr4P…? :wink: :pig_nose: scratch’n’sniff :crazy_face:

That aside I am so pleased that you have at long last; like me with Trisquel, made a donation to the FsF by purchasing this USB-2 Wifi adapter. I am seeing $49.99 at the checkout - could you say if you think your price is expensive for such an item that makes so many claims. In my experience all gnulinux and FsF are both true and not subject to exaggeration.
However having said that - if you have read the extensive specification listings and therefore know what to expect regarding your requirements all should be good.

If we are wrong :cold_face: I am going to end up with egg on my face or even worse some of Akito’s flying pig shit :face_with_raised_eyebrow: :woozy_face: :confounded: and a shed load of humble pie. :pie: I will of course fully reimburse you regarding any bad advice from me.
I can confirm that all my tests are genuine and not doctored in any way and their efficacy is backed up by independent experts like those at ubuntupit dot com. I take it for granted that your tests are of the same ilk. I wish you good luck and have fingers crossed. :crossed_fingers:

Hey Dude, you may not get the pleasure :thinking: :face_with_raised_eyebrow: :rofl: as I am being intimidated via PM by Mina with threat of a ban and therefore cannot respond to the pathetic vile abuse :nauseated_face: endorsed by two moderators, on my Trisquel Review post as I am being fitted-up there by entrapment. Guess the truth can hurt some and must be snuffed out at all cost by those in charge. Wish it was out in the open for all to see rather than this tacky underhand manner… :wink: :face_with_hand_over_mouth: :shushing_face:

By the way - as you have tested so much across so many devices have you any idea as to why 32bit mini-Trisquel v8 is so light and fast on the 21 year old XP CAD station considering that it was home built and all…? If not who do I ask…?
I did another experiment on the LXDE Dell E6420 and juiced up mini-Trisquel v9 with popular heavy apps like full LibreOffice, GNU Image manipulation, Wine for my Serif MSoft professional software and more - it still runs fast and stable with no issues whatsoever and everything gets regular updates when I choose to. Still I need to bleachbit the drive or format it to try something else.

Cordially yours - Andy


You think I am confused.

You think the smell came from someonw else.

You think too much.

Let other people do whatever they want to.

I asked for advices and got advices.

I tried Trisquel on 4 computers and said that it did not recognized the wifi cards nor the TL-WN725N and you jumped the gun.

I truly believe that you are not smart enough to judge what the moderators say on a board where you are ( and so am I ) just a visitor or a host.

It is a matter of respect.

People have their preferences but they are not into religion.

I know what FOSS is supposed to be.

I also know that one cannot run all existing programs on all existing operating systems.

Most of my relatives use Windows. A few are rich enough to buy an Apple product or they just do not know better.

I may have made a donation to the FsF by purchasing this USB-2 Wifi adapter but it is just to proove you wrong.

I mean Microsoft and Apple make people buy new computers every 5-6 years.

And Trisquel make me but a USB wifi dongle.

What I want is an OS that will work on all my machines. And I found some.

Your tests may be genuine but you have only tested YOUR Trisquel.

I think you can stop pointing shit face to moderators.

Do you understand why moderator ask you to act differently ?

Cordially yours - Roger


Well Roger you are one weird guy - nothing wrong with that.
I cordially reply yet this is still not good enough for you - just what is wrong with you. I even offered to…

… just how nice and kind can one guy get…? :hugs: Yet you respond to this kind offer with a childish rant… :baby: and throw your toys out of your pram :astonished:

Beggars belief - Dude; how pathetic can you get - better not say more…!

You are so way off the mark again - could I make a last ditch attempt to bring you back to some kind of reality…? :pleading_face: You keep on ignoring advice known to most as I have tried to kindly point out just go to h-node - IT IS THAT SIMPLE - anyone can understand this but you; as you keep posting the same stuff over and over boring the crap out of everyone. As I said - you can lead a horse to water but you cannot make it drink :horse: :tropical_drink: was this ever so true in your case…

Does it work with free software - no It would suggest to most people that they may have a problem and may need an adapter - but Hey; not you - you know better. Far out Dude: conceited arrogance or what…?

Again Dude - you really have lost the plot here in your tantrum. What does this sentence mean…? Do you not check with reality before posting…

Again Dude - you really have lost the plot here in your tantrum.
I am astounded Dude - do you not know how to search under a profile…? You are just so out of touch with reality - to top it all you posted here too… Jeeeeeeeez… Dude

It is well known by most and yourself that I have three computers all working faultlessly and that my Dell E6420 was dual boot Win10-Pro - ubuntu :woozy_face: :face_vomiting: This is where I started out and know it inside out but never liked it. I have also tested Bodhi and EndevourOS to name but a few. :slightly_smiling_face: :wink:

I think you should apologise - Don’t you? In light of all that I have corrected you on - you say unbelievably…

This coming from you …Quat :crazy_face: :joy: You have got to be joking… I do know my arse from my elbow and the efficacy of my tests are validated by experts outside of this forum. Send PM if you need the full list. I am still waiting for Akito to provide evidence to the contrary and carry out the test to prove …

Instead all I am getting is throwing pig shit :poop: and no answers or tests that contradict real experts. Hey Dude - I can take this without even breaking into a sweat - so get real…

Do you have inside information on this…?
What do you know…?

That you ended with recommending the second slowest mainstream that I have tested distro speaks volumes :rofl:

Edit; should anyone want to take the piss or criticize my tests just have a quick read at ubuntupit or here: My Tests personified …

Work your way down to the heading, yes Heading Performance & resource usage and read “RAM usage hovers slightly above 1 GB, which is a bit high. But then, as you start using the distro, it chokes up quickly. With some package management, media playback and a few other tasks in parallel, Mageia quickly hit the swap space and starting slowing down. I have not seen this with other distros on the LG RD510 laptop
This is exactly what my tests quantify for our FOSS membership so they know a slow poke when they see it!
Yeh but “who gives a flying piece of pig shit” well I and many others do

I don’t really understand all of the sentences above :frowning:
Feels, I caused some flame-war, which was not my intention at all.

Just in defend for my much liked Debian…

If you looked at it more thoroughly, you would have found, that Debian by default omits everything that’s closed source, and the list includes firmwares too.

However, nobody trying/using Debian is forced to use only FOSS stuff.
I myself do use proprietary dirvers for my nvidia, non-free firmwares for my intel wifi too.
So that should not be a problem.
Without actually knowing your wifi dongle, I think you neded only the firmware-realtek package.
This package is preinstalled in the “unofficial images”, you could take them for example from here:

These include the non-free blobs, and are also live system, so putting them on an USB stick makes it possible to try without actually install.
I don’t think that Debian is that stupid.
Maybe it’s not for you, that’s fine. But please don’t call it stupid!

My father (73) uses Mint too, and he is quite satisfied with it.

It looks exactly you want it to look. :smiley:
I use Debian with the MATE desktop, and I can setup MATE to look and behave as I used to it before.
See in the “post your desktop” topic, there’s my desktop:

Somewhat above in this topic you can see how it looks on my laptop too.


Precisely. With Debian you can do whatever you want.


Hey @kovacslt do not worry about your sanity - I have bent over backwards to help this guy @R_G Roger on the forum and by PM - he then throws it back in your face… Even more alarming he then starts posting the same crap content over and over again on different topics

I have lost count the number of times I have pointed to him and others h-node org where you can check your hardware out…

It could not be clearer even for a Noob - THE ANSWER IS NO
He then continues with his tantrum saying that he is going to buy the FsF gnulinux Wifi USB adapter just to prove me wrong - that is so pathetic. Hey Akito wants to prove me wrong too - over efficiency with RAM but has yet to do so. :roll_eyes: :wink:
Hey what can an old pensioner like me do - take no notice - carry on forwards - provide researched advice with best intentions - they throw that back in your face too…
Look at the Face - am I bovvered (bothered)
So good to see Akito now offering the same good advice as me; as she knows I use windows Serif applications under wine on part debian Trisquel - the cardinal sin OMG Please don’t tell that Catholic Moderator @johnblood else I won’t get buried in consecrated ground :scream: OMG :ghost: OMG :cold_face: OMG :crazy_face: :roll_eyes: OMG :wink:
Take EXTRA care to Stay Safe :mask:

Nice. One of my favorites.

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I’ll try both Trisquel an PCLOS on VM’s with exact same attributes, assigned CPU cores, amount of RAM, etc.
I think I’ll compare boot time, applications startup time, browser speed, but also idle RAM usage.


I saw it in his “about”, I think i’ts allowed there.
We have to be allowed to tell such facts about ourselves. Why not?

Remember 2 Timothy 4:2:

Probably this post will be removed, banned, etc, because…
1 Corinthians 1:18

I will patiently wait for a good outcome.

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I started to download them. Trisquel features MATE desktop, so I choosed the MATE flavour of PCLOS too. I don’t feel right to compare KDE or XFCE against a MATE flavour on a probably weak (virtual) machine.
This will take some time, probably days long…
I’ll provide videos on YT.

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No it won’t. But it’d be nice of you to refrain from issuing any further religious comments. Thank you.

I promise, that was the only one. :innocent:


I did not finish yet. My first finding is that on a VM with 4 CPU cores, and 3GB RAM they perform just the same. I cannot really measure differences in times.
However, Trisquel tends to use about 100MB more RAM while idling. This is negligible if I have 3 GB, but now I stripped down the VM’s to 1 CPU and only 1024MB of RAM.
In this situation Trisquel seems to boot up a lot slower. GIMP on Trisquel started faster, but is an older version (2.8.2), while PCLOS has 2.10 installed. LO writer starts on PCLOS faster, but again, this is a newer version than Trisquel has (7.1 vs 6.0).
When the applications started, task switching seems instant on both sides.
At the moment I think, an extremely weak PC would run PCLOS better in general. But an only 4-5 years old PC with 2GB or more RAM won’t show remarkable difference in performance in general. I think, I’d prefer Trisquel over PCLOS on such a machine, because it “feels” more familiar to me.