Radiation from electronic devices

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Like many people around the world I have cancer, (not looking for sympathy! )

5 years ago i had a operation to remove it, but earlier this year through regular testing I discovered it had returned so several tests later and different scans of my body they decided the best treatment was radiotherapy… 34 sessions of being blasted in a machine for 5 mins, took longer to get there and prepair than be treated.

After 3 months my results are now better, so hopefully i will be around a little longer, they dont talk cure just not getting worse.

This along with the October rose and breast cancer treatment for women made me think about technology and what we expose our body too. Plus this item dropped into my mail box

https://www.howtogeek.com/forget-5g-people-were-once-scared-of-monitor-radiation/

Like many on this site, i started with crt screens, yellow coloured, then green, then black. Now onto lcd plasma, etc.

Not even thinking about wifi, position of your laptop, netbook, when working in a relaxing chair. Microwaves induction hobs, smart homes… radiation all around us from different sources.

Mobile phones, carried in our pockets, shirt pockets, used next to our brains.

The list can go on.

So thoughts on radiation poisoning?

How can radiation be used as a cure for cancer when it could have been the cause ?

New radiation treatment is so accurate now

On a personal note to all male members of this site get a psa test tomorrow it may save your life. For the females get a mammography and encourage your partner to get his tests.

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Hello Paul

I am going to share many points that I listened since 30 yrs ago. If they are true or false, well some of them seems were true

  • Microwave Oven produces cancer
  • Spent a lot of time speaking and listening with a cellphone produces cancer (it for the old cellphones without a speaker)
  • Sleep with cellphone below of your pillow or just in the side of your the head is really bad
  • Be exposed to WIFI would produce cancer

The exposition to many hrs to a monitor/TV screen. I’ve listened about this many times but it seems it is just as a rumor.

Other factors not related with technology are

  • Consume a lot of sugar through candies and sodas
  • Smoke cigars, electronic cigars and now the vaper
  • Stress produces cancer. I’ve seen a lot of this

Some important to always do:

  • Sports
  • Eat healthy (mostly organic food)
  • Try to be relaxed

For the consideration of all, sadly it can be inherited. So if exists members of the family with this. Be ready to take care of yourself.

The last one would be silly but practically I saw reflected in some persons

  • The envy produces cancer

I hope you are getting better

Take care

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Can I add

  • Exposure to chemicals such as agricultural sprays and pesticides
  • Asbestos or silicone particles getting into lungs

It is a good summary Manuel

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Hello Neville

Yes, you are correct I forgot them. The summary is important because it would save a life. And something extra to add:

  • Be exposed to the sun’s light without any special cream to block it
  • Eat many times sausage, it due the components added to preserve it

Right now, the former is really dangerous

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Yes indeed. We keep forgetting these things

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You can test your microwave oven for radiation shielding.
Place your mobile phone in the oven, shut the door
Do NOT turn the oven on!
Ring up your phone from another phone.
If it rings, the shielding is inadequate

My wife had a friend who wanted a new micriwave oven. The descended on the local store armed with 2 mobile phones and proceeded to test every oven on display. 19 out of 20 failed the test. The store operators were amazingly cooperative. They purchased the one that passed the test… it was a medium priced oven . All the cheapo ones failed, and the very expensive ones.

If your microwave oven fails the test, try a new door seal, if that fails get a new one… and dont stand near it while it is operating.

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In my working career I was a radiation oncologist.

It’s thought that for radiation to produce a cancer it has to break chemical bonds in DNA or other molecules. The electromagnetic radiation from WiFi, cell phones (5G included), microwave ovens, two way radios, or amateur radio does not carry sufficient energy to break bonds. Ultra-violet light and x-rays do have enough energy to cause molecular breaks and exposure to these can lead to cancers, although the odds are very low.

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"the only safe way to live is airgapped in a faraday cage :smiley:

Only kidding - thanks for the insite @don.karon - a lot of the stuff posted earlier looks highly unscientific - and NO peer reviews cited :smiley:

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Thanks for the interesting insights everyone

I would just like to ask Don a few questions

In the treatment is the radiation created by electric or by a radiation source and if so what ?

How does it get controlled to fire at just one place and one depth ?

I imagine a camera, where you open the shutter and it sees the target, but to be controlled to just be in one place …

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Hi Don,
I was a geneticist.
I think what you say is generally true , and it is more likely to happen when cells are dividing because the DNA is ‘spread out’ then.
but

  • There is always the possibility of some second order effects… like lower powered radiation affecting some aspect of cell chemistry which in turn affects DNA, and
  • There is no ‘safe dose’ of radiation. It a question of probabilities

So people like to be careful with all forms of radiation… It is all about minimizing risk with things like cancer.

Regards
Neville

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I did receive lots of advice before during and after about liquid intake, sun exposure and secondary effects. What surprised me was the duration afterwards they talked about.

The treatment room had extreamly thick walls and a door like fort knoxs with warning in place, but none of the nurses wore radiation sensors which they do in xray.

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Paul -

To answer your questions:

The radiation is produced by using radio waves to accelerate electrons down a specially shaped tube called a waveguide. The electrons then hit a metal plate (called a target) and x-rays are produced as a result of the impact.

Most of the radiation coming in goes through and out the other side of the body. To localize the radiation, the x-rays are aimed from many different angles with different shapes of the outline being treated from each angle. The volume of tissue where all these fields intersect gets the entire desired dose, while each individual path gets only a fraction of the total. This enables the doctors to shape the treatment volume to enclose the tumor while protecting normal tissues as much as possible.

Some radiation treatments are given using a beam of protons rather than x-rays. These are produced with a cyclotron. It’s a dramatically large device—the machinery you see in the treatment room is only a small fraction of the total. Protons have the advantage of having a finite range in tissue—they go so far and then they stop. This is helpful in shaping the treatment volume.

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Knowing just about nothing about radiation I googled 2 questions.

What kind of radiation cause cancer?
" Ionizing radiation is a type of radiation that can cause cancer by damaging DNA:
This type of radiation has enough energy to damage DNA and cause cancer. It includes radon, x-rays, gamma rays, and other high-energy forms of radiation."

What type of radiation is safe?
" Non-ionizing radiation is considered safe, as it does not have enough energy to damage tissue, and includes types like visible light, radio waves, and microwaves;"

Here is also a short (2 minute read) on radiation from the National (USA) Cancer Institute.

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That is a physicists view of radiation .
A biologists view is that no level of radiation of any type is absolutely safe… not even visible light.
It is a fine line between blue light and UV . Who drew that line and how do we know it is a cutoff rather than a gradual decline in probability.

As the article says, it it a matter of balancing benefits and risks

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I suppose the KEY word was “considered” safe. Just about too much of anything is not good for a person. A woman supposedly died from drinking too much water over a short period of time. It was called water intoxication. It said she drank 64 ounces of water in 20 minutes.

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Superb Don, that is the information I had asked for from my radiologist but did not get, not sure if that was due to language or a need to know or her not understanding my question or desire to know more.

Thank you.

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Thanks Neville for putting another perspective on the treatment.
Thanjs Howard for the link to further reading.

One difficulty if you are ill, no matter what with, and someone throws you a life line, you just grab it then hopefully live to see it out the other end.

Being a technical person, i asked before my first op chances and life expectancy!
I was told 5 years we do nothing, 15 we operate !
That was a surgeon view.
Now i asked the urologist and the radiologist I dont get clear answers, just avoid the big bus when crossing the road

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You look at all the treatment options and make a choice.
I have been thru that, I chose surgery, it worked.

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I think this is so unfair. Of course you want to give a person hope, but I believe a doctor should be truthful with a person.

My brother had Cancer of Unknown Primary (CUP), The doctors was not honest with him and he thought he was being cured with treatments. I googled this type of cancer and it said about 90% diagnosed with thus type of cancer did not survive past 6 months.

I will never forget what he said to me one time. “Howard, I don’t understand. Instead of getting better, every week I am getting worse.”

My brother pasted away 7 months after being told he had cancer.

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I choose surgery believing that was the best answer and trusted the surgeon who was head of department. After regrets ? Advantage of surgery is that its possible to do radiotherapy but not the reverse.