Resilience planning .... data loss and Internet connection

This morning when i got up, I had no internet. Shock horror can life go on ?

I ALMOST had to have a conversation over my cornflakes with my better half !

At first thought it was just my connection needing resetting but an hour later still no connection and a message from orange the provider about a difficulty and a promise to resolve withing the morning, hour later and still no connection, another message service resumes tomorrow.

I understand now it was not just orange but sfr and bouygues were similar. It is not clear if it was local, regional or national.

Ok by lunch time it was back and working, no reason given and nothing on the site to say why. Then reports started to come out about a major microsoft outage and denial of service etc. Update going wrong, virus, attack conspiracy theories are on the rise…

Ok my question.
Do you have a back up in place for data attack?
Do you rely on onedrive, google drive, or similar ?
If using chromebooks and no service how do you work ?
If reliant on office 365, google docs or similar have you a backup plan ?

There is a move to replace copper with fibre because of cost and speed, but part of the plan is to remove home phone lines totally and replace with voip but imagine no internet connection.

Ok i am cheating a little as many have. Mobiles with large data plans and are in 4g, 5g or plus data sharing is switched on so land connections are almost not needed by many. But not all, thinking of older people, disabled, low income or disadvantaged groups.

I was going to title this does life exist without the internet or www ?

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@callpaul.eu
Sure it does, and not so many years ago, at least for myself!!!

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We are already at that point. No landline phone … no landline… just modem and fixed wireless link. Compared to copper it is absolutely reliable… except when there is a power outage. Then we are forced back to the mobile phone.
It does have one nice feature… if the fixed wireless link fails the modem automatically switches to a builtin mobile phone link… but not,if the power fails.

When we are all finally forced to switch to renewable energy, there will only be internet during daylight hours. My habit of working at night may have to go.

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I still have my ATT landline phone!!!

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I will be too old to care or dead, before that happens!!!

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We still have a simple non-powered handset attached to our modem, and we retain
the ā€˜virtual landline’ phone number, but we divert all its calls to the mobile.
The old handset is there just in case our mobile phone collapses. You depend on communication for help in isolated locations.

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We have fiber for internet and the only backup is to use mobile data if fiber is down. We have photos on an internal drive, an external drive, on OneDrive, and Google Photos. Other things I don’t want to lose are similalry backed up.

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My shonky VDSL was degraded all this week - from Sunday last week - took till Friday for the ISP to send someone out…

I was getting 20 mbit download and 0.5 mbit upload…

The telco ā€œengineerā€ was 2 hours late…

Anyway - he reckoned the fault was 'cause I was using the WAN port on my router - and sure enough when it was disconnected (twisted pair not hooked up to anything) - my speed went back up to what it was…

After he left - I got a magnifying glass - that 4th port on the router (it has a 4 port gigabit ethernet switch) is labelled LAN4 / WAN - and it’s not configured for WAN.

And then an hour after he left - it did the same thing - 20 mbit down and under 1 mbit up…

Fingers crossed and touch wood - seems to be reasonably stable.

But - I am going to swith ISP. Fed up of the current clowns I’m using…

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Our modem has

  • WAN port connected to nbn box
  • DSL port not used
  • 4 x LAN ports ( local ethernet)

Do you have a DSL port? I think maybe that is the one to use in your case

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Yeah - that’s kinda obvious as it’s only RJ11 / 12 - the other switch ports are RJ45…

The LAN4 ( / WAN) port on the switch is not configured for WAN - it’s configured for LAN - and having a unconnected ethernet cable plugged into it shouldn’t make any difference whatsoever…

NBN are telling me I might have FTTP (fibre) by March 2025…

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That is worth waiting for.

Agree

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Just a sign of the times.
Life without the radio back in the 30’s and 40’s?
Life without the TV in the 60’s thru the 90’s?
And now in the the 21st century, what would we do without the cell phone and the internet?

What will be next?
Self driving cars? -or-
robotics - can now vacuum your house and cut your lawn. -or-
AI to answer all our questions and to perform many tasks. -or-
VR headsets to take us to the next level of gaming or to watch streaming channels.

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Problems
I dont have a garden or carpets
So that technology no use for me

For backup and resuming computerised works, the best solution in my opinion, not to rely on internet or any online data storage because disaster can struck the data centres also. So, keep a HDD or two with essential data backup and an SSD with the OS installed in it. Power them up sometimes and they will be okay. For internet, I use my mobile 5g connection and a wifi dongle for internet in my PC. It gives decent speed for my work, upload, download. I can download a 4-5 GB file within 15 mins and that works for me. I haven’t upload that size of file yet, so don’t know how much time it will take but to upload a website or web based app, it works fine.
And whether we can live without internet these days, my simple answer, no because to update our OS, we need internet. :disappointed_relieved:

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I was born in 1971, so I don’t know how was life without a radio in '30s or '40s. Afterwards to till date, I was never felt any attachment with TV. I only saw some Sunday cartoons, Charlie Chaplin and Sherlock Holmes shows, world cup footballs when Maradona was the king and some world cup crickets, before Hansie Cronje was banned for match fixing and after that I have totally stopped seeing cricket matches and eventually I got rid of TV totally. For last 23 years, I don’t have any TV in my home. I watched some Wimbledon matches also when I watched TV when I was a kid, at an age of 15/16. Chris Evert was a darling, Martina Navratilova was an inspiration and Steffi Graff… skipped a heart bit when first I saw her… love at first sight… adolescent period… you know. :wink::joy::joy: But, now internet is a thing. Without it how can I chat with you friends?! No, internet is required, to connect with my friends here, with my mirror-brother @kovacslt and to update Linux. :grin:

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I doubt this mirror thing, sure we have some common points. :wink:

I never fell in love with actresses or similar on-the-screen-celebs, looked always for the girl in the neighbourhood, or living in the next street.
Just because they were near, reachable, possible to meet, to talk, etc… (get the idea!)
:grin:

For that reason they use georedundant replication. For example, if a meteor hits the icelandic datacenter, it does not hurt the one in Hyderabad/India.
But as you, I like to have my data in my own hand!
But have everything important on 2 physical drives from different age, different vendor…
I also have georedundant replication, as my backup server is in a different corner of the house than my primary home server. :rofl:
Well, if the whole house collapses, I loose probably both, but in that case not my data is my main concern :smiley:

Internet can go down, at least locally.
Couple years ago there was a boom here, when fibre optics spread. Providers built it up quite quickly, the problem was, they forgot to add their lines to the map of public utilities. Then every 2 month an accident happened: an excavator digged a hole for example to repaire a broken waterpipe, while digging it broke a thick cable too, and a whole district suffered internet outage.
Interent is such vulnerable.
Mobile 5G cannot be digged out that way, but the tower you are connected to may go down as well…

Most of the updates are for security, protecting against attacks from the internet.
If internet is disconnected/down, the importance of update is way much less.

For me upload is very important, but since a few years I have 1000/300 Mbps fibre optics connection. That is fine for me, it means 30…35MB/s upload via ftp or sshfs.
Can’t measure it from my laptop, as it is faster than what the wifi can provide :slight_smile:
It would be uncomfortable as hell, but I could go on without internet, if there was a must…

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:joy::joy::joy::joy:

That was the effect of adolescent period bro and when she married that bald Agassi, I was really heartbroken. If she would marry Boris Becker, then it would give me a little bit of consolation. :mending_heart: :stuck_out_tongue::wink::innocent:

Yeah!!! I have the idea. :wink: :grin:

I will change to another provider because most people in India use prepaid connections, so they can switch the provider any time.

I get 11-12 MB/s average download speed and when I use FDM, it sometimes goes upto 25 MB/s. But upload speed is much slower, 1-1.2 MB/s. But my fibre optics experience was horrible and as there is only one provider in my area, I didn’t have a choice but to stop using it for good. But I am thinking of a dedicated wifi connection for my PC, they calls it ā€˜Air-fibre’ (what a ridiculous name). Let’s see what happens.