I guess I’m a bit spoiled by Ubuntu/Mint with their snappy installation interfaces. Also, I have an HP touchscreen that was “over-convertibilized” and the cracked screen makes over 1/2 of the screen invisible. So my HDMI monitor is the only option for installations that aren’t VM-based. But the external monitor doesn’t appear in the Debian Bookworm installer, and I’m pretty sure no xwindow or Wayland GUI is available. Has anyone found a workaround so I can try the 12.7 release of Debian directly on my hardware?
As a mint user why not go for lmde
All the pleasure of mint but with debian behind it, ok it may not be the latest version of debian but close
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Ya, just solved a major hurdle with booting LMDE under secure bot. See my post(s) on Ernie’s thread. So full speed ahead with last year’s model, I hear it’s pretty rock solid, and I feel the Canonical magnets are getting more people to soften up and just go with the flow … 
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It is worth getting used to non-gui installers. They are more flexible, they make fewer decisions behind your back, and they arent CLI either, most of them use dialog windows where you click on items in lists, it is quite easy.
The only real CLI install is Gentoo.
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I dont really understand the logic at mint staying with ubuntu base when the debian original is available… but guess they have a reason, just appears to me the wrong way round
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I cannot imagine doing a cli install and the time it takes plus getting the cli correct, but i am more into mass production (one a week) to go down that route
I’m fine with them; it’s hard to impossible with a cracked screen displaying 40% of every non-gui page and no way to project or go to HDMI output (not the case with “True GUI” installers like LM or Ubuntu). Maybe I could ssh into the install app somehow with another PC?
You have a working Linux on that machine? Check this guide for CLI install: D.3. Installing Debian GNU/Linux from a Unix/Linux System
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Why don’t you boot a Live system? From that you can start the installer, and all monitors should be available as well.
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Very interesting reading, however:
D.3.5. Install a Kernel
looks problematic in my case, as it needs to have a shim-signature to “survive” secure boot?
Think you have it nailed, @kovacslt I had the wrong DVD, needed the live not the installer: debian-live-12.7.0-amd64-cinnamon.iso
THANK YOU!
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Well I don’t use secure boot so don’t know.
Very much agree … although, the developers of Debian appear to be more of a “Torvalds Army” than a disciplined CanBan/Scrum-adhering hierarchical team as you might find at Canonical. So LM may be more stable for that reason, but less “feature-rich”?
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I do somewhat.
While recently Ubuntu behaves very much against my taste, and does things I highly dislike, it’s way ahead of Debian stable.
So it has a better chance to support a shiny new hardware, and that may represent a value towards the dev team of Mint.
Debian stable on the other hand is very unlikely to break, and even more unlikely to vanish. (If a monetary disaster for example disrupts Canonical, I wouldn’t be sure that Ubuntu will be kept alive.)
I don’t say, this is THE case, it’s just my suspicion.
Actually Clemence would be able to tell the whole truth 
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Its a shame we cannot get Clemence on this site to talk about linux mint.
I have read many stories of why they keep a lmde running in case ubuntu disappeared but wonder what features they keep or take from them
Like so many versions of linux based on ubuntu
Again, just speculating…
Kernel, thus HW support (from Debian testing with a bend in the road 
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Knowlegde/recypes: how to’s meant for Ubuntu work on Mint without further ado,
so those how to setup this… how to install that… etc…
Except o those recypes that begin with “snap install”.
To be honest, the majority of recent recypes for Ubuntu start with “snap install blablablah”, so they are not much useful, unless someone wants to use snaps.
Also packages (not snaps!) created for Ubuntu just work on Mint too…
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Think that is the important factor not just for mint but for every linux based on ubuntu
Yesterday i was asked by a client who i had just installed lmde on her computer, which software should i choose the mint version or the debian version ? I think they are the same…
There may be Mint addons that are not in Debian. MX has lots of those, so I expect Mint has too.
I dont think Mint would duplicate any Debian packages.
I was lost when asked the question as to which to choose…
But on reflection she could be trying to get direct from the software house as the tool is not in the repository, like google is not in mint repository but chromium is, also google maps is in
She has not come back to me so guess whichever she chose it works.
A client of over 5 years with me, had to buy a new machine for business reasons, her web master said, you cannot do web on linux ! But I do, and now discovered its wordpress which is on line so even my tablet does updates. She has now sacked the web master and i get the work to do!
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I feel like I have the “old school” hesitancy to use snaps, and even the “dynamic updating” Ubuntu has rolled out since 22.04(?) in their attempt to sandbox the end user toward Windows Me Heaven. Of course, if I have God-access to Ring 0 of my CPU, so do “threat actors” but it does feel like a slippery slope. Flatpak and sudo apt have their limitations, but usually not performance-related.
Many of us are “Windows Refugees” (probably not many like me that tried OS/2 and NT 3.1). But according to Moore’s “Law” (a forecast really: Moore’s “Law”, the processing power and memory capacity have increased by a factor of 2!15 since 1990, or 2.615348736×10¹² ( 2 615 348 736 000 ) times! Maybe beyond any OS to tame, and honestly, in my life horizon, a truly AI OS is a real possibility, needing no “digital” input such as keyboard/mouse/voice, but directly attached to brain neurons. So will that be the end of “Personal” Computing, or just the beginning of a new era of miniaturization and robotics?