It’s obvious (IMHO) that Ubuntu will stay with us. It’s “the distro” for so many users and even if they would move to business_only_mode I am sure Ubuntu would still be here for desktop users. Maybe named different.
I could still use it but have decided not to. I still recommend it to anyone who is trying Linux (and Mint).
Interesting, we are talking about emotions in relation to things, and the forum member @Ernest gave a good example of Imprinting.
Maybe that’s why…
For my part, I like Ubuntu as much as I like Windows 11. If they cease to exist, I will use another Operating System.
I confess that for me it is simple, because I only need a little.
I won’t disagree with you because I have no knowledge of the Canonical business model. If you like Ubuntu, use it. If not, don’t. I’m not telling anyone what they should do. I’m just telling everyone what I do. It’s not up to me to decide what others should choose. That’s a decision for each of us, individually, should make for ourselves. I think I’ve said enough here. I’m done . . .
Ernie
You’re also telling everyone why you do what you do and this “why” is a perfect example of unreasonable bias against Ubuntu based on lack of knowledge about Canonical’s business model and the role of community in Ubuntu flavours development. And on a story about Ubuntu being doomed because of Mandrake/Mandriva fiasco (where is the connection?).
I don’t use Ubuntu, but come on. It’s possibly the most important distro in history, still works great and the fact that so many developers have decided to base their projects on it should tell us something.
I once used Ubuntu. I have never seen such a poor choice of theme and screen organization. I almost ripped my eyes out (well, that’s a bit of an exaggeration). On top of that, updates took forever.
I had a hard time getting stuff done in Ubuntu; I guess I’m used too much to how Windows USED to organize things (task bar at the bottom, start menu in the bottom left, etc.).
I got my current computer and it came with Windows 11. That OS is waaaay worse than Ubuntu; an unworkable interface, ads which appear as real stuff, AI encroachment, mysterious bugs, having to live in a straitjacket, and the OS occupying gigabytes of space.
Put Linux Mint (an Ubuntu derivative) opposite of those two and it becomes obvious why I went there. Updates are a breeze, a sane default look and feel, no mysterious problems, no built-in AI crap, and it happily works with me. While the OS is still big, the default install includes loads of useful stuff. I’m very happy with Linux Mint. It does what it should do and doesn’t get in my way.
As I’ve said already, I’ve said my say, and I’m done. You have your opinion, and you will never change mine, so lets agree to disagree . . .
Ernie
That is what I seem to sense when reading reports
Not really, but I think the effect which commercial goals have on software design is a more important reason.
The real strength is that there are many Linux distros. If there is a disaster in one, you can easily shift to an equivalent distro. There is only one Microsoft, only one Apple.
Ubuntu does not provide choice. There seems to be no Ubuntu-derived distro that is non-systemd. The closest would be Devuan, which is Debian-derived as is Ubuntu.
Visually it does offer choice with cinnamon, mate desktops. Also off spins in lubuntu, xbuntu etc.
Ok the behind the show may be the same but for the end user who just wants it to work on older machines, play games, do mail there is choice.
To be honest I would not know the difference between systemd, flatpak and the internal workings of linux if it bit me
We’re not having a private discussion. My goal is not necessarily to make you to change your opinion. It’s to show a different point of view, so other members can get some information, possibly learn something new or even take part in the discussion (siding with you or me).
And that’s a valid reason for not using Ubuntu. I don’t agree with you (I don’t mind systemd), but it’s an objective, technical argument that makes perfect sense. We could have a discussion about systemd in general, but it’s not what this topic is about.
Yes that is my main reason for avoiding Ubuntu ( and Debian, and Mint).
I dont try to force my non-systemd preference onto others.
I don’t use ubuntu (nothing against it) but do use a distro based on it.
What I found pretty good and safe/easy to use is ubuntu cleaner.
Maybe worth a look at for anyone using ubuntu or derived of distros.
Good instructions as to what it is and can do is better explained in this link.