Sorry to hear this @ernie, are you in isolation? Watch that Pneumonia, Covid can really use that, in a very bad way!!! Hope you get too feeling better real soon!!!
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You mean dumb it down. Microsoft were very successful at that. They won over all the usersā¦ Linux was left with the enthusiasts. Only Apple succeeded in bridging that divide.
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The stink of proprietary profit makes M$ and Apple unpleasant for me. Linux is nice and comfortable, except for Arch.
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Works for Windows!!!
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I dont care about the profit. I care about what they do to the software.
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I have an unreasonable bias against Apple
I can understand why some have a similar bias against Microsoft.
Iād much rather people used Linux because they want to use it instead of not using something else.
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Sorry dont think CLI would help any new user ā¦
Like the browser choice was. Nice big easy buttons click 1 linux 2 windows 3 something elseā¦
When you install linux mint or most debian versions you get a menu
1 install
2 test
3 advanced
But after that you can press to get advanced stuff.
Ventoy do it from the usb with a choice so its not hard
But it would mean microsoft letting go of control and posible bios unlock plus why should microsoft give up something its money making to tie everyone into needs to buy new, upgrades.
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Why ?
Its a great quality product both the system and the boxes, except the price!
Then all around, iphone, ipad, ifridge, imicrowave, i carā¦ ha ha ha
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No apology friend. Though we obviously miss a friend if he/she is absent for few days but alongside we also become worried about his/her well being. Friends need not to aplogise for being ill. Get well soon buddy. We all wish for your good health. Donāt forget to take medications and to protect yourself from the cold. Have my best wishes. 
Your wife is correct in this matter and I am not joking. If you can, see the movie āContagionā, released in 2011. When you will watch it, you will wonder whether itās a Hollywood movie or a documentary on Covid?! Now tell me, how on earth they made such a well documented āmovieā in 2011?! In 2011, they made this movie and Covid attack took place on 2020, i.e. 9 years later and conspiracy theorists say that inventing a bio-weapon i.e. a virus and its vaccine, takes at least 8 to 10 years time and not to mention the stark similarity. Do your math. If you canāt find it, send me a PM.
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It depends.
Anyone with even the slightest motivation to learn will benefit from exposure to the CLI early in their Linux adventure.
Familiarity removes the fear barrier
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Most have forgotten the days of compiling and installing Linux from the CLI!!! That is why I use Gentoo and am trying too learn LFS!!
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Everyone can see how much better informed you are about Linux because you were not afraid to use the CLI, not afraid to experiment, and not afraid to make embarassing mistakes.
Sure, it helps if you make a big mess experimenting on a spare computer , and keep one stable system for daily use. Perhaps the ideal computer for beginners is two computers.
Come to think of it, that is what immutable Linuxes try to do.
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Kind of a 50/50 with the walled garden and fanboys.
I used Microsoft products from way back because thatās what almost everyone did. Although the first computer I touched was an Apple IIe. Microsoft was the big, successful company everyone hated, and trash talked about. I just didnāt see most of the problems people were complaining about. When you run on every Tom, Dick, and Harryās computer, made in God knows where, itās amazing to me they worked as well as they did (do).
I thought we were doing a disservice to students by putting Apple in schools because when they get out, they arenāt going to be using Apples. Not for the most part anyway.
I worked for a company that had an art department and of course they used Macs. My quote at the time was, āAnything you can do on a Mac you can do in Windows. The reverse is not true.ā I still stand by that. It may not have been easy because the Mac was that industryās standard, but you could do it. You just plain could not run many, many pieces of software that were required to run our business.
I didnāt and still donāt like that walled garden, but more than that, the blind supporters of Apple and Macs. To listen to them, they never get a virus, never have a program hang, never have to reboot, and more. But I know better. Iāve seen it firsthand.
Everyone has their favorites. I do too. Apple hardware is a bit overpriced, but it must not be junk or people wouldnāt use it.
Back in the day people would have roasted Microsoft if they tried to pull the same things Apple does. Microsoft wanted to run on any brand of computer. They wanted software vendors to create software for Windows. Now Apple has an iron fist on the hardware, the OS, the App Store, and itās all a big money game. I get it. They are in business to make money. I just donāt like the way they do it.
Mostly itās probably the blind fanboys though.
Some people like Ford and others Chevy. comme ci, comme Ƨa
These days most home users can live inside a browser for the most part. There is no good reason they couldnāt use some Linux distro. I like Ubuntu because it works. There are other distros that pretty much just work too. I think itās unfortunate that Canonical/Ubuntu seems to be the Microsoft of the Linux world. Their stuff kind of just works. It isnāt a philosophy. Itās a computer. Itās a tool. It needs to work.
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Mainframes were all like that. Minicomputers broke it down a bit. PCās at first embraced every combination you could think of, even some with Unix, then it settled down into Apple and MS.
Exactly. Preferences only come in after that. Most Linux and BSD distros can be made to work with varying degrees of effort. ā¦ at least that is what I find.
Ubuntu is probably least effort.
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I understand CLI and dont have a problem using but imagine a new user, yes they still exist.
I still get calls from clients want me to go an set up the computer, in the end they answer the questions but simple things like wifi connection or printers can cause issues so need hand holding.
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I get injection to be able to travel many companies insisted before you got on the plane plus due to health issues for other things I am considered at risk so its strongly advised. We go away next week to an holiday location where the numbers of cases have doubled in the last month so prefer not to chance it
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Oh, I remember well. Everyone hated IBM at the time too, but no one ever got fired for buying IBM.
My first job out of college was writing COBOL on IBM mainframes. At ISU we used a PDP11 (if I recall correctly) while learning Pascal on cards.
I guess I never did give my computer/Linux background on that other thread. I always meant to.
A slight correction. It settled down to IBM and Microsoft. Years after that, Microsoft bailed out Apple and only then, decades later, after the iPhone, did Apple become the Apple we know today.
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Thank you!
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No longer. I was in the ICU from Sunday until Thursday, then I was released to come home, where I am now. The Pneumonia appears to have been dealt with, but I suspect itāll be a few weeks until the Covid-19 virus abates, but Iām getting my strength and balance back, bit by bit.
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