I tried literally all of the major DE’s.
As for customizabilty I would say KDE is the #1, GNOME is the least customizable out of the box
Well, with some extensions GNOME is still customizable.
As for lightness, LXDE, LXQt are at the top, XFCE, Mate are light, GNOME is among the heaviest beasts. Cinnamon may be the heaviest.
So if you like GNOME for its lightness and customizability, you still have some options to consider
Personally I like Cinnamon the best, then KDE. But some limitations (bugs?) in kio-fuse make network attached drives unusable for me.
Since I need wayland, my only other option is GNOME, so I’m using it now. It’s well usable anyway…
But Cinnamon is on the way towards wayland: whenever it starts to work, I’ll go on with Cinnamon.
Just a side note for this.
When I say the name “Debian” in hungarian, it rhymes to the expression “debil lány”. That expression means mentally handicapped crippled stupid girl.
So calling Debian “debil lány” - in a specific context (for example talking about drawbacks of a Linux compared to MacOS) is unambigous and clear, but it is higly offensive I think.
What I want to say now:
It is polite to call persons and firms on their name, and avoid offending nicknames even if we dislike something about it.
Endearing nickname is OK, I think
And 2 more cents!
If you need to convince someone, you need to convince the chief decesion-maker!
That will be true for the rest of your whole life!
So do convince your father/mother (which is the chief decision-maker?)
Otherwise, just let your brothers see how much you like your Linux-driven laptop, how capable it is, etc… Let them see you can do things with it they can’t with the default installed ChromOs (or whatever it has now installed).
I was a kid once too with a brother, and if that wasn’t enough I raised 3 kids…
So I really can imagine how that could happened
Explain what crostini is for LibreOffice and why it is not ideal
Summary of benefits of ChromeOS on GNU-Linux
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What is GNU-Linux?
Why use GNU-Linux and European services (I live in France therefore in Europe ) such as the French search engine Qwant, the Shadow Drive cloud or American services but focused on privacy like DuckDuckGo.
Is GNU-Linux more secure than ChromeOS?
Why trust open-source/free?
Linux limitations (windows apps, which don’t work with ChromeOS anyway).
Customization of Linux, explains to them that Linux can visually resemble ChromeOS
I too live and work in france and my family is french. Its not quite true that all american companies are untrusted. Many of the french papers and reports are anti american. You need to establish what you believe and follow what you think, try not to be encouraged by the media social or general.
Many on this site are not keen on using google or microsoft, but that does not make them wrong. Like it or not the 2 are the biggest players in the computer market.
Debian by the way is a made up name of the linux version they created Deborah and Ian, the version still exists to this day but sadly Ian died and hus wife chose to step away from the project.
Dont know if it was the translation tool gave you the wrong word in this but I have no idea what a crostini in libreoffice is my self. Think its something to do with apéritif ?
If you want a french linux then look at mint as the lead developer is of french origins
I’m skipping Cinnamon… and then I need a Wayland-only GNOME. Only Fedora does this.
Crostini = VM Linux (!) Integrated with Chromeos (by Google) to be able to execute Linux apps … Yes because maintaining Chromeos is based on Android…
En gros mes crétinus de frères utilisent une VM (sans s’en apercevoir) pour faire de la bureautique. Pour l’instant, le Chromebook ne rame pas, mais ça ne devrait pas trop tarder…
I admit that at Google they are good at giving strange names to their creations!
It’s funny, that, 2 French librists who speak English to be understood by others on this forum
Ils restent tous beaucoup plus personalisable que Windows ou OS X…
We tend to use english as a common factor so we can all understand and share, although we have a wide nationality base and many different languages possible
Thankyou for the extra bit on [quote=“François GUERIN, post:46, topic:13036, username:Francois_GUERIN”]
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Not being a chromebook user I did not know that, still dont know the connection to libreoffice. Collabora Office is the closest office app on chromebooks but again not tried it.
I will need to check. I am like 99% certain it does, provided you added the Atuin setup command to your .bashrc or .bash_profile (or equivalent config file for the shell of your choice). Alternatively, I suppose you could run the same setup command manually in each terminal. It is important to mention that if you do neither of those, then the terminal would not be set up to use Antuin.
I use Yakuake, which is a drop down terminal emulator, which allows for multiple tabs, which I believe is the equivlanent to multiple terminals, but since my workflow doesn’t use anything other than the tabs is why I am not completely certain. With my use case it does work, so a command I run in one tab shows up in the history for the other. Tonight I will force the use of multiple terminals with Konsole and see.
Another reason I am pretty certain is that if you set up Atuin to use an Atuin Server, you can share you bash history between computers. It would seem rather odd to add that feature, but not have support for multiple terminals on the same machine.
Also, like I believe with regular bash history, if you prepend a space to the command, it won’t save it in the history. Compare ls and ls. First one is saved, second one is not.
That is weird. I wonder if it is deliberate or a bug?
I think Atuin will cope with multiple terminals because it is a database. A single .bash_history file cant accept input from multiple terminal shells, but a database can.
Lets see what you find?
It is deliberate. I was mentioning because it is deliberate. There may be a way to configure that behavior, but it makes sense to me to have some way to not clutter your history if you so choose.
I took Deepl for this. It sais I’m thinking of “joli surnom”.
With my absolutely zero french, I have no idea, if this is real
But! Wayland is still in its infancy. X11 is mature, stable, reliable.
I think it just a step towards the future, and probably doesn’t provide a fallback to X11 just in case…
Wayland is not that bad, it’s going to be good, however, I don’t see yet when it will completely replace X11.
I’m not a chromebook user either, but I assume, apps meant for Android would work there natively. IF that’s the case, Collabora has APK, so does Freeoffice from Softmaker
When I loked up “crostini” I found some italian meal
Sure it is a containerized -so highly cut down- Linux in ChromeOS, like WSL Windows.
It allows to run some apps, but don’t expect bare-metal performance - I believe, have to admit I did not try.
I like wayland because of its performance.
I dislike it because of compatibily problems.
Where reliability matters, X11 is THE choice (as of today, tomorrow this sentence may get false).
X11 surely will be around for a long time.
I think the best is to switch off overscan in the display. My 17 years old Panasonic LCD TV has this option, so the native resolution can be displayed.
What for do you need “overscan”?
" — Overscan is where the image exceeds the visible display area. "
Is that what you mean?
I have done that with X11R6… years ago with Freebsd
When you move the mouse to the edge of the screen, the image scrolls across into the undisplayed area.
You just set the virtual image size larger than the screen size.
It helped with old low resolution CRT monitors.
I dont use it today.
Apparently some TV monitors have some sort of automatic overscan mechanism which clicks in if you send the wrong image size. That seems to be called ‘overscan’ too.
Soon… I think when GNOME 48 was released. Besides, Pantheon DE, Cinnamon DE, Budgie… We all rushed out a Wayland version, because GNOME Project stopped supporting x11 /xorg. This will be effective with 48.
Yes, GNOME devs rule the roost. This will save them a few thousand lines of code to maintain.
Yes, wayland is young, it’s the future.
No “real” reason… actually I use a laptop, and I’m used to having a black frame all around my screen… I’m a little crazy
@kovacslt No, GoogHell (Google = the Hell) is not a “nice nickname”. It’s rather a bad nickname, a mean nickname. In French, “joli” always has a positive connotation.
Joli = pretty in English. Looks like Deepl screwed up… remember to look at the other translations:
of ChromeOS on GNU-Linux
therefore in Europe 
) such as the French search engine Qwant, the Shadow Drive cloud or American services but focused on privacy like DuckDuckGo.
