ZDNet headlines their Deepin 23 RC review in today's newsletter

When I opened today’s ZDNet newsletter, to my surprise, a review of Deepin 23 RC was the headline item. I found that very interesting, not to mention the apparent new changes they’re offering. Windows 11 look-alike? Too bad they’re a Chinese-based distribution (I don’t trust any tech from China or Russia). With that said, I still found the item interesting.

Ernie

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Copying Windows is not a very innovative thing to do.
Linux and Unix are what they are today because they were brave enough to
NOT copy other things.

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I agree, and I posted this item because I think the community should know about things like this. I suspect that this move is China’s attempt to replace Windows with something they have control over.

Any thoughts (or am I going over to the paranoid department here :slight_smile: )?

Ernie

If that is the aim, it will not succeed.
It only looks like Windows.
When people buy Windows, they think they are buying support from a big company.
It is like the way IBM used to dominate the mainframe computer market.

You’re probably correct. I suppose my suspicions arise from my fundamental distrust of the Chinese government, and the fact that I consider them a dictatorship.

Ernie

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If I were curious for Deepin, I’d install it in a VM first, allow it to access network, and closely watch DNS query log about where it tries to “phone home” -if it tries at all.

Theoretically you can check the source code
https://github.com/orgs/linuxdeepin/repositories?type=all

Agree. :slight_smile:

I’m not sure I agree on this one…
If I read it correctly, around the middle of the 1980’s was a project born to create a free alternative to Unix, which evolved into Linux as Torvalds created an attractive kernel…

So I consider Linux a functional copy of Unix.

Like @ernie has a huge distrust in anything chinese or russian, I have a huge distrust in anything from any big-tech made stuff.
After all what’s the difference, if facebook, MS or Google knows everything about us or the chineese government?

Let me express, I don’t like Deepin, but not because it’s chineese, but because it is based on Debian sid ( =the unstable experimental branch of Debian) and invented some weird “linglong” package system.
As it tries to mimic Windows, is just simply ugly.
But that’s all just my taste, and probably it just a default look&feel which probably can be changed.
If you look around in KDE themes or gnome-look.org, you’ll find quite a few themes that try to mimic Windows as well, so there must be a market for that…

As for DDE, the Deepin Desktop, is not available in Debian at the moment (I could build the source, but hehhh… I won’t :slight_smile: ), some non-chinese distros provide it, so there must be a “market” for that too.

https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Deepin_Desktop_Environment

https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/DDE

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Oh yes, but Unix is not a functional copy of Multics or anything else. True, it borrowed some ideas, but there are a lot of new concepts in Unix.
Mainframe systems that preceded Unix had

  • no heirarchical filesystem
  • very few utilities
  • no build system (make etc)
  • numerous hardware dependent file formats
  • no ‘everything is a file’ concept
  • batch and interactive use were separate systems with different commands
  • no concept of ‘one task one program’
  • no man pages … there were books
  • no communication with other systems

Unix made a lot of things possible for me. Linux made it work better.

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Yes, but we talked specifically about Linux (which is not Unix).
Or I misunderstood something…

Forget it, my bad. I misread it. Sorry for the teasing :pleading_face:

Dont be. It does me good… makes me think
and
I am not really a Unix historian… someone could do it better

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