AI back in the day

(way) Back in the day, I used to do some C language programming and read a magazine named Computer Language (long gone). We are doing some serious downsizing (nice word for getting rid of some really old stuff). I came across and article from an old issue and took a look on line to see if some of their articles were still available. Sure enough. Found an AI issue from 1985, look on page 19.

Lou
We the unwilling are led by the unknowing.

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Superb link, great to look back at some of the adverts for products that no longer exist and companies no longer around. I had completly forgotten LISP programming language….. how time passes, and costs change.

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Really enjoyed this louyo, thank you for sharing. Particularly enjoyed the coverage of the AI Toy Problem.

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(If (you (can) make (sense (of this…)))) :smiley:

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Preferred APL, the language that “escaped” IBM just in time.
“you can always tell an APL programmer… but not much”

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I suppose a lot of people here remember the old AI program that asked you a question from what you typed in. It was an early chatbot called Eliza. You can read / see it here.

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Alas, I do remember. I started out in 1964; vacuum tubes and core memory.

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I remember UTECOM… the tubes had a mean time between failure of 10 minutes.

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Worked on one system where the customer said something like: “if I used that machine for an anchor it would intermittently float”

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Back in 1969 the IBM 360/30 had core memory and ran DOS.

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Not the same DOS we all know in early PC’s
Did you use JCL on the 360?

I learned DOS originally Datapoint operating system, then IBM DOS, then DR DOS (digital research) finally Microsoft version going through all the number versions from 2 through 6 … only slight differences. What did throw me at times was where I was teaching we had rooms with CPM and CCPM and the copy command was the reverse of DOS

so DOS copy source destination

Cpm copy destination source

I always had to think when giving lessons

There were other examples and switches added or removed which I no longer remember. We the changed many rooms to apple which was all point and click, much easier except when students brought work from other rooms and wanted to continue the file, no chance. After we set up a room to teach secretary staff using amstrad word processors the PCW 8256, which again had different system and disk size.

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I think I remember… the copy command in CP/M was PIP … peripheral interchange program. … is that correct?

Were all those DOS’s the same?

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Named by an academic IBM employee? :grinning_face_with_smiling_eyes:

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I think it came from one of the DEC operating systems.
Yes is is inhuman .

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Yeah, DEC also wasn’t bad in that manner. :grinning_face:
TBH, I was working with RXS11 and VMS as well, but I don’t remember just one command by name nowadays.

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No, not the PC DOS most people know from the early home PC. This was IBM’s mainframe DOS which back then had no virtual memory, no disk swap space. The programs ran one at a time in real memory.

Yes, JCL was used on the IBM computers. My whole career I work with mainframe computers and JCL was always part of it.

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Same here, but I went away from IBM mainframes to Control Data mainframes. They did not use JCL… I think SCOPE and NOS were easier to use than JCL.. At the end we moved to Unix on mini computers … that was an eye opening experience.

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I had to look it up and it appears that copy worked on some versions of it was installed otherwise you could use

Cpmcp

I just cannot remember from 40 plus years back. The computer was a tower with 8 users. But we also had a ICL with 3 users running ccpm which i preferred as it limited class size to 3 students and I was teaching Calcstar the sister to WordStar. We then got lotus 123 version 1.0 wow !

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I worked for a utility company and IBM was consider a business computer. So there were mostly batched jobs for billing, inventory, payroll, and accounting.

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