It uses Calamares, so I can’t install it in an empty partition. But it seems to be installing in Boxes, as a VM. What do you want to know?
As someone who has used KDE , is Trinity a reasonable Qt based DE? Does it do all the things you are used to? Is there anything annoying?
It will not have all the fancy features of Plasma … does it have enough? It needs to be at least as usable as Xfce.
I haven’t ever found a desktop that doesn’t do what I need. Trinity seems just like any other implementation of KDE. Browser, email, Libre Office…what else is there?
That is what I hoped you would say.
It probably doesnt have plasmids… but who uses them anyway?
Can you configure it from the GUI? … eg add an app to the menues … or does a newly installed app appear automatically in the menus?
What is the File Manager like? People ase fussy about file managers.
Is there a drop down menu? … most people dont like screens full of icons like Gnome has.
I am starting to think it is suitable for antiX … for those who like Qt based DE’s. … the other options would be LXQT or full KDE
Xfce is fine for those wanting GTK based DE’s
That seems to be a big issue for Calamares.
I need to investigate. Calamares are a difficult mob … I filed a bug report once … I got a condescending reply that showed that they did not understand the problem.
I gave up.
I had that empty partition install problem with Alpine ( it is not Calamares). I solved it by installing to a whole spare disk, then moving the installed filesystem to a partition. … a USB flash drive would do as a spare whole disk .
Just thinking … you dont need to do it … the VM is fine to test Trinity
I’ll plug in a USB hub so I can have a couple of sticks to use
You can just install it on the usb stick… same as installing to an internal disk.
No need to move it … just boot the usb stick .. might be a bit slow… use a usb3 if you can.
I tried installing EXE GNU on a usb stick–doesn’t show up in the boot menu. Trinity desktop, in a live version, added applications to the menu AND added a desktop icon. Otherwise worked as normal.
OK, lets leave it at that. I will give it a try in antiX. I have to finish with Xfce first. Remember Xfce took me 3 months… no idea if Trinity will be that difficult?
You did tell it to write grub to the usb stick?
It may need you to mark the EFI partiton on the usb stick with a bootable flag …if a disk does not have any partition with a bootable flag, it will not show up in the boot menu. You can add a flag with Gparted.
You dont have to persist … I have the feedback I need, thanks.
Trinity can be installed from source, but it requires Qt and that will drag in a lot of deps, especially with LFS!!
Trinity keeps its own fork of Qt called TQT. I think it will still have a lot of deps, as you say.
I might be able to get away with the Debian binary. … otherwise it will be a compile job.
It is amazing how difficult it is to make an iso for distribution. The antiX ISO maker will cut out all the user files , but it sets /etc back to default which removes most of my work configuring things.
You really need to build LFS and then you will see how all the pieces fit together, you just might be surprised!!
I am alarmed at how many pieces make up a modern DE. A lot of it is security and management for corporate environments and is unneeded for a single user home computer.
Home users suffer from having corporatization forced onto them . Can we please have a dedicated home user distro? Even LFS has not escaped
That may very well be, but with LFS, the finished product, is what you build!!
True. Same applies to Gentoo and to a slightly less extent Slackware.
But you are hamstrung by dependencies … apps are not a set of independent blocks. You end up building what you are forced into by dependencies.
The real problem , then, is that people write unnecessary dependencies into apps.
You cant always flag them out.
I want a set of independent building blocks… like the Unix utilities.
Flatpak et al are not the solution, they are a cover-up job..
Gentoo and Slackware are really nothing like LFS. although, the live iso of Gentoo and Slackware make a good host for building LFS!!
I found this
" * I enable hidepid which is supposed to break dbus.
- I also change the unique
machine-idthatdbusgenerates on every boot viarc.local(devuan also generates it on every boot)
Everything still seems to work under XFCE (some desktops e.g gnome may be more dependent on dbus). I run apps through firejail so losing any supposed security benefits from dbus is not really a concern.
The following Linux distributions seem to run just fine without dbus & systemd:
There will be minor issues but if you are reasonably competent they are easy to fix."
That is a start.
A lot of this over-complex linking of apps comes from wanting elaborate DE’s.
Apps really only need to talk to the kernel…ie use system calls.
I bet you could run Gentoo or LFS without dbus.
The BSD base OS’s do not use dbus. It is only brought in if you start adding a modern DE.
No, dbus is required for LFS, since adopting systemd!! It is required for Gentoo, it one builds xorg!! I do not think Slackware runs dbus!!
Isn’t it still possible to build Gentoo with openrc, instead of systemd? Even for a desktop system?
Yes, that is what I have. I set a USE flag -systemd . I might try setting -dbus ?
Not so.
Hyperbola runs X11 without dbus.
I think from memory, it uses a BSD version of X11., not Xorg.
I had Lumina desktop running in Hyperbola without dbus.