I am feeling rather gloomy. I just read two items of linux news that alarm me.
For me both of those decisions are killers. I depend on mouse paste for everything I copy… so I cant see myself ever using gnome. I dont use systemd distros, so I cant see myself ever wanting to use LFS to build one.
What is happening to freedom of choice here?
But Does it offer other option or is by complete blocking?
There is still Ctrl C / Ctrl V, but who wants to use two hands just to do a copy/paste?
Apparently this decision has something to do with making linux like Windows… who wants that? Why follow a dead OS?
In a few simple words “upstream Linux”
LFS is abandoning sysVinit, so it will not be possible to build a non-systemd linux with LFS
I have just buit LFS Systemd-13.0, I hardly ever use the systemd commands !!
Apparently this decision has something to do with making linux like Windows
A stupid decision about that feature
who wants that?
A survey in the community would be better or simply give the option to enable or disable that feature
Why follow a dead OS?
The common standard user without a friend/family-member to teach him use Linux… that is a fact. People with low knowledge of computers
Replaced with what?
Theme apart for example in Ubuntu 26 LTS now is working with Rust (over C) for some commands
Ah, but you just compiled 1.5 million lines of code to get an init system, when you would really only need about 10000 lines of code if you used the dinit init system.
I thought the whole point of LFS was to be able to choose what you built? … they should offer all init systems. … it is not a big deal, antiX and Devuan and MX and Artix can do it.
LFS used to offer sysvinit and systemd. They are removing sysvinit, so that leaves systemd only.
Almost everyone knows how to use a mouse.
Almost everyone knows how to use a mouse.
I meant about a common user which is not able by himself to migrate from Windows to Linux
How about right click to copy, right click to paste. That will still work, right?
never personally used middle mouse click (my Kensington trackball doesn’t posses one) so no sad loss for me. I have always used Ctrl + C & V
I did not know that existed. I will test it out. It has to work everywhere.
I think such a user has bigger problems than how to copy/paste.
I think such a user has bigger problems than how to copy/paste.
Of course, without a friend/family with Linux knowledge, that user is doom
At one stage I was responsable for recrutement of new staff for technical rolls, one test was navigation without a mouse. So if they could demonstrate, cut, copy paste, print, save, open close, switch windows without a mouse they got to the next stage worth talking too.
Cruel yes but cut the numbers to see, qualification dont always signify they know anything.
Hi Neville,
Just wondering if you will still the options you want as long as there is Arch Linux available. I just read about Artix Linux which said on Distrowatch “system featuring the OpenRC init software. (Alternative spins feature the runit and s6 init software.”
I know a person can get great satisfaction from LFS and they still can get that experience, but without sysVinit.
Take care.
Howard
I would have failed your test.
Yes I use Artix with dinit init system.
Arch or (Artix) is not nearly as good a teacher as LFS. Gentoo is closer, but they have abandoned stages 1 and 2 now which is where you used to build the compiler.
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Of course. One can do what @4dandl4 does and simply ignore systemd in LFS … as a learming exercise.
but
There are people who use LFS to build small embedded systems… they would not want systemd… they would probably want busybox init. Why would LFS not cater for that need.?
and
There are people like me who have a philosophical objection to systemd. Why would LFS ignore these people?
Dont think you would have wanted to work for me. Apple mac technician …. Not your cup of tea
My understanding is they changed the default to off- You can still turn it back on.