I understand England and Russia have lots and lots of cameras that also can track people and/or cars.
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Flock cameras
Do we measure them now like sheep ?
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Flock is a brand name.
In parts of Australia we have interlinked cameras for speed control over long lengths of road.
Th big thing about all such systems is they implement a technology with inadequate attention to security of any stored data.
Computer security is either
- a lost cause, or
- an enormous handicap to operation of a system
because, OS’s are inherantly insecure and it can only be patched not fixed.
I think it is a good idea to give police an extra set of eyes. It is like a scientist getting a microscope. We have to live with leaky storage… there is no fix.
eg) One of Australia’s major electricity supplies just announced that its customer database had been hacked. People use power bills as ID. We all just shrug our shoulders and ignore it… what else can we do?
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No! They use term because they consider us the sheep. Now there are also Axon cameras which are more powerful and a bit harder to defeat.
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It went big time with the TIA (Total Information Awareness) program a few years ago which got shut down from outrage, but was really just transferred to private industry to get around the block.
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Learn to live with it.
We are stuck with cameras because they are cheaper than real human police officers.
AI cameras are probably coming.
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Without a doubt. Even now some airport, like the US, use camera to photo ID your face when boarding a plane and entry back into the US is also facial recognition.
Maybe for wife and I it is because we are on the fast track and to do that we were also finger printed.
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Is this all about illegal immigrants?
I thought passport was almost the ultimate ID?
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Passport information is on file. I don’t even show my passport when I go back the US.
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We book using our passports, and they now dont expect you to have boarding cards just show passport that does everything. But we now only use one company for flights in spain, easy that way. Barcelona airport does all we need with vueling flights. But its only the canaries
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They already use AI. In the USA, we have the fourth amendment that’s supposed to restrict search and seizure. This violates that. Living with no freedom is something I won’t willingly learn to live with. It’s a trap door function. Once you’re all the way in, there’s no way out ever short of an EMP that destroys everything.
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It is no different to everyone seeing you when you walk down the street or go shopping.
In a public place nothing is private.
The internet is a public place.
If your computer is part of the internet it is in a public place … like a car driving down the street.
You can choose when to leave your private home , but whether you leave via the door or via wireless , once you leave you are public.
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We have a total ban on caméras, in our naturist village. That includes any form of security or door entry systems. But its very difficult to enforce especially with the small size which are difficult to detect or mobile phones, are they making a call or recording vidéo.
The police have installed caméras at the entrance to our village and we have been assurer by the mayor that they are directed just at the entry roads and cannot see into our area.
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That is understandable. It probably counts as a private area.
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Of course I do not live in a private village, but door bell camera are all over the US today. I don’t have one of those, but I do have 2 small cameras. One is pointing at my front porch and the other one is pointed to the back yard.
The camera pointing to the front porch is nice because I can see if a package is there when I am away. If there is one, I can have my son-in-law pick it up.
The camera pointing to the back yard (garden) is nice because I can see the deer(s) or foxes when they walk thru the area.
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We have one of those interlinked speed control camera systems here in South Australia, located along the northern expressway between Gawler and Adelaide. I often smile and wave at the cameras as I pass by them. 
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They are in NSW too. I think they were first introduced for trucks, but now they do cars too.
Years ago, I worked with people who were doing the image analysis work to read numberplates from a live video.
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I’ve been reading about Flock cameras for a while now. I can’t believe how fast cities and towns approved these. I’m not surprised that my fellow Americans put up very little resistance to these cameras. Flock is an apt name for the company. 
You have a private company collecting and analysing the daily movements of millions upon millions of Americans with very little citizen input or governmental oversight. How long is the data retained? More importantly who are they reselling all this data to? How is this resold data retained and resold again?
Helping police and won’t you think of the children is a trojan horse. Flock really wants to compile and sell the data on everyone to the highest bidder. Do you think any of this benefit the average person? Nah, it will be used to profile you. Where you hang out, shop, work, etc leading to more targeted ads and higher insurance rates (based on how much/where your car travels), etc.
I agree there is no right privacy on public street. My argument is that the police having a timestamped searchable database of every place your car has been, for how long, and what other cars were nearby goes against our freedom to assemble rights. The cops know who you’re with and for how long.
The feds just charged a man with a felony for destroying evidence because he used //GrapheneOS’s duress feature to wipe his phone at the border. Activist charged with felony after giving border agent "duress code" that wiped his phone - Ars Technica - This guy wasn’t charged with or even suspected of a crime. He was flagged simply because he was associated with a group protesting a new law enforcement training center near Atlanta.
The surveillance of your cell phone logs and social media isn’t enough? Now we’re all okay with the government knowing the intricacies of our daily routines. Where we are, how we got there, who we’re associating with, how much time we’re spending at X location with A, B, and C persons. All this information is already being analysed with AI. AI analysis will only get more intrusive as time goes on.
How long until we’re being questioned about crimes we’re may commit based on what AI ‘thinks’? This sounds much more like China than America to me.
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Sounds more like 1984.
At least your house is still private.
A lot of this is made possible by the urban environment most of us live in. Living in towns originally gave us a false sense of anonymity ( lost in the crowd) but technology is fast destroying that.
In the Australian outback there is immense isolation, but everyone sees and knows everyone’s movements on a scale of hundreds of kilometers. It is a sort of a safety net. Intruders cant hide. Noone objects to being known … it may save their life.
I think you have to see this in an historical perspective. For 1900 out of 2000 years anonymity was impossible. It is a modern phenomenon that town dwellers have become addicted to. Now technology is destroying it… no matter if it is a private company or government… no matter for what purpose … the illusion of anonymity is disappearing. We are going back to our original community environment. We may be happier once we get used to it again.
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Maybe China was a bit of a stretch. 
I agree on more 1984ish. I love that I was born in '84 just because I’m always suspicious of the government.
I live in a very rural area though not nearly as desolate as the outback. I’ve always joked that I can’t take a dump without the whole town knowing what I had for dinner the night before. 
Aside from the typical small town gossip we all look out for each other, etc. I don’t necessarily care about my neighbors knowing my comings and going. The government on the other hand I really don’t trust them fockers.
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Relevant John Oliver was posted overnight and suggested to me on YouTube (yay algorithmic surveillance)
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