Debian 13 "Trixie" Hits August 19th

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Here’s what I love about Debian - you just have to run sed over your sources.list to get the upgrade…

Here’s what I’m far from ready to do on Linux - run “ZFS”…

Exactly what he said…

I personally love ZFS - I’ve been using it on Solaris for over 10 years (probably 15) - and on my FreeBSD NAS (TrueNAS) for nearly as long. It’s rock solid on BSD and Solaris…

Last time I tried it on Linux - it was “experimental” at best… I stupidly setup ZFS with encryption on Ubuntu (20.04? or maybe 22.04) - and - I could see constant “zfs decrypt or encrypt” eating up CPU cycles - bugger that - every read or write was triggering a new PID! WTF?

Perfectly happy with LUKS… i.e. mostly ext4 on LVM on top of a LUKS partition…

I’ll keep using ZFS on the platforms where it’s stable…

I usually keep a Solaris 10 x86 VM (with ZFS mirrorings) around so I can re-familiarise myself with patching Solaris on ZFS - it’s brilliant anyway… You can patch Solaris - then if you find something’s broken, you can rollback with a few commands…

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Should not be needed not much to go wrong, but you can always drop down to leucate and we can fix it over a glass of wine, bring a bottle

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Need at least 16Gb RAM.
Check it has all the ports you need
Disk size does not matter… you an fix that.

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sorry yes, I should have mentioned that it’s bare bones and can come as a bundle

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At 600 you could buy one off the shelves already to run ?

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I’d be lying to say there was no learning curve. The cool thing about rEFInd (and what differentiates it from grub) is that it is a pre loader, from which one can even boot other grub installations. It lives between nvram and GPT UEFI or MBR boot handlers. Makes the most sense when you want to boot from two different disks, and don’t like grub’s habit of os_probe’ing removable disks. rEFInd can do the equivalent of os_probe each reboot, so insert boot medium, reboot, and voila – rEFInd finds the removable drive with rescue, live CD, clonezilla, ventoy, etc. installed, and can boot their grub.

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I have removable sata disks. I want it to probe those.
Some people boot from permanent usb drives

I that like using chainloader in grub?

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This is a good “bake-off” with comparisons and pros/cons.

I think they are both considered “boot loaders” and both can see nvram. I think I may have misspoke about rEFInd supporting MBR; it only works with UEFI and GPT style disks, from what the article above states.

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We have one other user that I know who uses Refind. @ernie wrote a nice article on Arch based distros with Refind and secure boot

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The only use case I’ve ever hit where I needed REFind - was running Debian or Ubuntu (can’t remember which) on an ancient Intel “White” iMac (1st or 2nd generation)…

Worked okay for me anyway… that was maybe 2017, or 2018…

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I will wait untill it hits mint.

But could speed things up if this is to go by.

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Most of the improvement is in graphics tests.

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@nevj @callpaul.eu

I’ve been looking further in to sourcing the NUC and have found that I can do this from Laptopwithlinux.com which is a company based in the Netherlands who ship FOC to UK and Europe. I’m particularly attracted to getting it from here because it’s a European company (I live in France) and they specifically support Linux, listing Debian amongst others. Although they ship with Debian 12, I will choose the No Operating System option as I would prefer to install 13 from scratch myself. By choosing the 16GB memory option, 250GB M2 NVMe SSD, the price runs out marginally more expensive than Amazon but then they ship with Kingston memory and Samsung SSDs so I think that the overall quality will be beneficial.

Besides, I’d prefer to buy EU than USSA these days where possible :slightly_smiling_face:

Seems however that I will not be able to re-purpose my old 5¼” 1TB NAS drive but I care less about that as I have plenty of online storage and a 4TB NAS to satisfy that need anyway.

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I think I would choose that.
At least make sure Win has never been in that machine. You dont want any hangovers.

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It’ll be a new SSD so there should be no chance of that.

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Looks like a good spec hope it works out fine

You could always put your old drive in a external box to use or convert your old machine into a server that would be another learning experience

Keep us posted on how it goes for others to follow

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That’s an interesting point actually. I do have another 1TB backup drive I use in a USB caddy (for Timeshift and Pika Backups) which works well connected to my Debian 12 instance and whilst it mounts automatically when switched on, the Disks utility does not see it as spinning metal but as a USB device such that when selected in Disks, the menu option Drive Settings is greyed out

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This may sound odd but I never use any backup software, and have not used one for over 30 years !

Why?

When I want something back its a pain in the ass to find or restore and if you change backup systems software, say good bye to getting anything restore.

So what do I do?

I connect my drive, see it as another disk on my system, then create a folder backup August for example then drag and drop from my hard disk my documents images music etc creating folders for each one.

Ok it takes me a couple of hours in the background to do it.

Ok I have 3 back up drives numbered

But when I need a image back, I mount disk 1, open image folder and Copy it back. If it is faulty I go back to disk 2, or I go back to July Copy, failing thus disk 3 etc….

Never been let down always got it back. Even if its a windows Copy from 10 years back where normally backup cross platform is the pain. Can even do it from my apple days and that is even further back in time. Only exception is I have a couple of zip drives with no idea whats on them and nothing to use to read them any more.

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How do you know you dont miss some folder doing it manually?
I do the same thing to backup data, but I use rsync… I know it copies everything.

To backup the system (in my case systems) I use Clonezilla.

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How do you know you can get just one image back ?

Same logic

On mint you have one folder sith your name on it, inside is docs, images etc. You Copy that and all is good, but if you start to save outside of your area you are in trouble. But same with a backup.

Sad but true I am an organised person, cannot stand mess or clutter, drives my wife crazy, but things arrivé in the post the morning at lunchvtime they are treated and catch the post the morning after.

Same with my filing system everything has a place and a place for everything. I am dyslexique so have to work like that.

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